The latest case of honour killing has nothing to do with the Islamic community - the people who carried it out were Kurds who spiked the girls alcoholbefore a attempt to kill her this doesnt sound Islamic?

There is nohing Islamic Instutions can do when to comes to these crimes, its the mental make of a person that needs altering andno matter his religious persuassion he will not change.

PS Hundreds of women are killed in Britain every year by there husbands, most f these crimes are carried out by whites not asians.

"Ghazi" and people of that mentality seem to be part of the problem not part of the solution. To say that "There is nothing Islamic Institutions can do when it comes to these crimes..." shows a lack of thinking.

Islamic Institutions can do a number of things. Firstly when crimes such as these occur they should condemn them publicly. They can also hold sermons and state clearly that such violence is unacceptable in other words educate the congregation.

To compare crimes by white vs asians is invalid. There a many white Muslims mashAllah. It also sound like an excuse.

Just because there is a family relationship does not excuse murder.

This type of thing hurts the image of Islam. So Muslim Institutions should take a lead but taking a lead in anything seems beyond them.

This is a crime just like any other crime which happens in all communities but is given prominence because it serves the purpose of muslim bashing.
if paedophilia was given the same kind of airtime it would help thousands of children who cannot fight back or runaway but suffer in silence for years.
when a person who happens to be a muslim does this its honour killing, when anyone else does its love triangle-jealousy-passion crime but its never a honour killing.

The British government, the police and the Muslim community itself has failed these girls time and time again. Whether it's murder or physical abuse as a result of such instances, there needs to be action!

Which is it..? To kill or not to kill.

sonia find me single community which does not have criminals within it and you shall get the answer to kill or not to kill.
no religion tells anyone to kill people because they feel dishonoured.
most of them will be shias converting to christianty,no sane or real muslim in the world would want to leave the truth for contradictions and amendments.

Dear Sonia,

If the victim/perpretator is non-white/muslim, its called 'honour killing'; if they are white/non-muslim its called 'crime of passion'. In white society (and in African Christian/Afro-Caribbean christian/Hindu/Sikh/Chinese etc. societies) husbands/brothers/boyfriends do kill women (and men) in 'a jealous rage'. Don't tell me 'that's different', and therefore o.k.!

They are both killings and both crimes.

Nothing to do with the race/religion of either of them.

Also, don't forget that in Hindu India today hundredes of thousands (perhaps millions) of Hindu baby girls are being killed at birth. Will you campaign against the Hindus? I thought not. They support Israel/oppose Muslims therefore every evil is excused.

(Oh, by the way before you say: 'All the victims/killers are muslim', just remember that practically all the paedophiles are white men. Does that mean that paedophilia is characteristic of the white race? Of course not.)



As regards 'muslim converts to Christianity': these are ususally those who have low self esteem and are ashamed of their own skin colour. They think that by adopting the white man's religion they will become accepted as equal. Such delusion!

Murder is murder is murder until someone decides to attach another name to it such as "honour" murder or "black on black" murder.

The fact that someone is murdered is the issue not the ethncity of the killer. Why is prominence given to the ethncity of some "murderers" Is it to give more prominence to the crimes of some and not others?

Rob
Thank you for writing what most of us are thinking.
Mpac, you are in danger of inadvertently becoming anti-muslim yourself. Stop apologising everytime someone with a muslim name does something wrong. I thought Mad Mel had that angle well covered.

I was expecting a somber reflection on a tragedy that involves hundreds of women but instead what I see in those comments is a reaffirmation of the seething hypocrisy and lack of self- criticism of the Muslim mind.

Instead of proposing a mature debate around a problem that predominantly afflicts Muslim communities, all we see are excuses, justifications and denial of a barbarian practice

I quote:

1) Islamic institutions cannot do anything about honor killing


2) The British Government has failed these girls

3) This is a crime like any other crime, which happens in all communities.

Now, let me explain to the hypocrites:

First, Islamic institutions can do a lot about honor killing because this horrid practice is a perverse consequence of the idea of women's position of submission and proprietary control upheld by a patriarchal Islamic culture.

In Muslim countries like Pakistan where hundreds of women are known to die every year as a result of honor killing the Police takes almost invariably the side of the man and the judiciary is lenient.

In some Muslim countries like Syria and Jordan, even the Penal Code states that "he who discovers the wife to commit adultery and kills her is exempt from penalty."

I think that the whole Muslim world has let down their women and not the British Police and British Government, as a poster is hypocritically suggesting.

Finally, to the poster who disingenuously states that all pedophiles are white men I suggest to read the widely available statistic regarding underage marriage in Muslim countries.
Please check this interesting article in The Times of India -One minor girl many Arabs-, it is about Arab men going to India to marry, have sex and divorce virgin children, all in one go. This is a very creative way of perpetrating child sex abuse under the legal veneer of the nikaah, where a man can have four women at a time (another muslim institution).

kashianinks you are proving the point we are making that this issue is being used for muslim bashing.
since you mentioned india why did you not bother to also mention that around ten million females who have been killed for being females in the last 20 years in india.
why did you not bother to mention the hundreds of thosaunds of indian girls born into prostitution,you just cannot see that but can see clearly if a dozen or so cases of arabs marrying and divorcing are shown.
you cannot see honour killings in the sikh-hindu-christian community because they are labelled in diffrent formats.
as mentioned before it seems honour killing is reserved for application to criminals if they happen to be muslims.
if the debate was genuine then people would react positively.

Kashianinks

Instead of proposing a mature debate around a problem that predominantly afflicts Muslim communities, all we see are excuses, justifications and denial of a barbarian practice.

You seem to forget in your comments that there is no organised denial of a criminal act but rather the converse with people such as blair and his cohorts who cleverly suppress debate on the mass murder of muslims by saying that debate on an illegal war will demoralise our troops.

Labelling murder as "honour" is just part of the process of racists who at present seek to create hysteria and jump on the muslim bashing bandwagon created by blair and others to hush up oppostion and debate of their war crimes.