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Thursday, 05 April 2007
473958_muslim_girls_in_al-quds.jpgThe government is planning to intervene in some mosques to support Muslims who want to marginalise extremists.

Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly has announced a new role for the Charity Commission, strengthening its task of overseeing religious institutions.

A £600,000 faith unit within the commission will help Muslims strengthen governance and leadership in mosques.

But Britain's first Muslim peer, Labour Lord Ahmed, criticised the measures as a "rehash" of existing policy.

Desire and commitment

In a speech on Thursday, Ruth Kelly said: "I do not under-estimate the difficulties we face or the scale of this challenge.

"But I know from my conversations with Muslim communities up and down the country that the desire and commitment to tackle extremism is there.

"Success will hinge on forging a new alliance against violent extremism. We need to reach out and give greater support to the overwhelming majority who are disgusted by terrorist attacks carried out in the name of Islam."

The Charity Commission's new Faith & Social Cohesion Unit aims to encourage registration, strengthen the governance and accountability of religious institutions, focusing at first on mosques.

Some commentators have previously attacked the regulator, accusing it of acting too slowly on reports of extremism. The body was however a key player in the removal of the radical cleric Abu Hamza from Finsbury Park Mosque. Hamza was jailed for seven years in 2006 for soliciting to murder.

Ms Kelly's department has changed government strategy by launching talks with a broader range of Muslim groups.

Access for women

But at the same time the largest body, the Muslim Council of Britain, has received less attention, leading to claims that ministers are talking only to those prepared to agree with government.

Lord Ahmed also criticised the measures which include strengthening leadership at mosques, improving access for women and citizenship lessons in schools and madrassas.

It was never suggested during the Troubles in Northern Ireland that state regulation of Catholic churches would have ended IRA activities
Andrew Stunnell
Lib Dems

"I am not so sure this is going to work," he said.

"The real issue is to find out the reasons behind extremism and radicalisation."

In a related move, the Attorney General Lord Goldsmith said specialist prosecutors are beginning to work with police officers to improve how they target extremist preachers.

The strategy is part of the government's attempts to develop a plan to prevent extremism, a key plank of counter-terrorism policy.

'No quick fixes'

For the Liberal Democrats, Andrew Stunnell described the measures as a "disastrous mix of good intentions and poor analysis" saying the government should be tackling deprivation which allowed extremism to breed.

"It was never suggested during the Troubles in Northern Ireland that state regulation of Catholic churches would have ended IRA activities," he said.

Shadow attorney general Dominic Grieve welcomed the involvement of the Charity Commission, but on the new measures he said "we have heard it all before".

"The government needs to realise that this is a long-term project with no quick fixes. We have had enough rhetoric now we need action," he added.

New research commissioned by the government links radicalisation of young Muslims with a failure of traditional mosque leadership.

The study, written by a Muslim academic, pinpoints a conveyor belt towards extremism which starts with identity crises during teenager years.

These problems are then easily compounded by discrimination, lack of opportunity and the poor quality of religious leadership in some traditional mosques.

The research warns the government that extremist groups successfully recruit by exploiting a combination of alienation and religious illiteracy among youths. It names proscribed group Al Muhajiroun as one of the groups having been most successful as targeting students.

But at the same time, the report predicts that a positive British-Islam voice can emerge to defeat extremists, if there is investment in religious leadership.

Sources: bbc.co.uk




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Readers have left 13 comments.
Ali Abdullah: Quote

The risk is that the end point could be Imams as civil servants who read Government-written khutbars praising Government policies!
(1) 2007-04-06 07:57:56
ROB: Quote

This is just another smoke screen for the government not to accept the reality of what is happening.
the radicalising is not done by mosques but by the government themselves,they use state violence against other nations ilegally then say why do people indulge in illegal acts,when they have the example of the state using violence,they inturn feel it is ok for them to do the same.
a lot of the people shown being arrested are arrested using very vague allegations,which if applied to the rest of us i am sure a big proportion of the british people would be inside.
it is a witch hunt that is always used by politicions to further their ambtions, i would not be surprised at all if secret service agents are encouraging people to shout their mouths off and then suggest things that could be done, after which they are arrested for conspiracies to do this or that.
(2) 2007-04-06 12:18:19
wendymann: Quote

The motivations behind these initiatives is to make the Muslim population as compliant to the Govt. spin as the non Muslim population.

They are trying to do this through the 'roots' rather than from top because they have tried it from top and its not working, (from top i mean television and other media assets).

Muslims are not 'on message' and they need the British people to allow corrupt govt. to rule without question or criticism.

The fact is that they set the parameters of the debate, comision reports around those parameters and unsurprisingly they get the answers they are looking for.

Is any Muslim listening to this corrupt govt or its vision for a British version of Islam.Islam is Islam, there cannot be a Ruth Kelly or God forbid a Blair version .

Opus Dei now trying to influence Muslim thinking after determining the direction of the catholic church .. interesting concept.
(3) 2007-04-06 13:41:57
Thoughtful: Quote

Dividing the muslim community in this country and colonialising their institutions and places of worship in order to brainwash them into accepting the violent extremism which has lead to the killing and maiming of hundreds of thousands of innocents all over the world stinks of racism.

Divisions created amongst populations in Iraq, afhganistan, palestine, kashmir and many other places in the world have led to nothing but more killing.

Blair and his cabinet may have subdued the some parts of the white population by saying that we should not speak out against the killing of innocent civilians as it demoralises our troops but who sent them to fight illegal wars in the first place..... Yes the very people who now want to hush up their murderous activities that has resulted in untold human suffering throughout the world.
(4) 2007-04-06 13:48:42
Westlondonmullah: Quote

extremism, thats rich coming from a member of Opus Dei.
(5) 2007-04-06 16:17:31
Brian Campbell: Quote

Radical Islam will be countered with Christian Fundamentalism. Is that what Muslims want? Muslims cannot realistically expect that when they embrace radical Islam that the world cannot respond with Christian Fundamentalism.
(6) 2007-04-06 20:44:27
Kathy: Quote

Brian Campbell

We are already seeing Christian Fundamentalism in the shape of George Bush and the neo cons in America, who are the close allies of Blair. As for Ruth Kelly, who herself follows a radical sect of the Catholic Church, who is she to dictate Religious Teachings to others.

I agree with Thoughtful when he/she says that they want to divide the Muslims. Of course that is the British way, Divide and Rule is our motto and it has caused nothing but trouble throughout our history.

I would like to know what they mean by a 'positive British Islam voice'? I always thought that Islam had no Nationality. Are Blair and Kelly going to re write the last 1400 years of Muslim history to suit themselves? Perhaps Blair wants this as his legacy which he is trying so hard to leave behind him. No Mr Blair, your legacy is and always will be Iraq so leave Islam alone and concentrate on sorting out the divisions in your own Church if you feel it necessary to interfere in Religion now that you have the Middle East in turmoil.
(7) 2007-04-07 09:18:15
wendymann: Quote

Kathy:

The fact that they even talk about a British Islam is an indication of the degree of their lack of understanding of Islam not to mention the ethnic minorities that live in this country.

Blair himself is a radical and extremist with respect to his religious doctrine. It was interesting to see him in a recent SKY News interview exonerate himself of any blame with respect to Iraq by stating (essentially) that it was how his God had directed him to act.

As for that positive British Islam Voice they mean the Neo Con led organisation called Muslim Sufi Council and similar players they choose.
(8) 2007-04-07 11:54:44
ROB: Quote

Brian campbell could you specify what christian fundamentalism would be and please decribe it in the sense you meant it when giving the comment.
is it the one which has been used by so called christians to exterminate hundreds of millions of human beings or is it the one which says love they neighbour or those wihtout sin should cast the first stone.
is it the one that says do not eat pork-drink alcohol-commit adultery or kill,is it the one that says jesus fasted for 40 days and he prayed by kneeling and touching the ground with his face.
as someone educated in a roman catholic school i would like to know what you mean by christian fundamentalism.
(9) 2007-04-07 12:41:31
Mike: Quote

This is a WESTERN country. Islam will never be allowed to become a political force here. Get used to it.
(10) 2007-04-07 20:19:18
Kathy: Quote

Mike

Change the record. You are becoming a bore.
(11) 2007-04-07 22:17:22
Guest: Quote

Kathy I look for your comments because they are the most sensible and full of wisdom.I echo your comments

I would like to know what they mean by extremism:
THEY:
impose dictators, vile brutal barbarian
remove, assasinate our democratically elected leaders
eliminate and talk unashamedly and with bibles in their shitty hands about killing our leaders who has over concern at heart
they rape & steal and cause mass murder
they bomb
they destroy everything
they poision our waters, lands and our crops

So whose extremeism are they talking about?
(12) 2007-04-08 10:27:11
Thoughful: Quote

Mike - Are you saying we don't live in democracy..... or perhaps like in palestine it depends whose elected and whether they are acceptable to our own western dictators?
(13) 2007-04-08 16:56:22
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