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This is the most amusing post that I have seen which tries it’s best to show Israel in the best light. But, I’m actually cracking up here that the individual who tries his best to “prove” Israel is not a racist state is an Academic from Goldsmiths College, University of London. None other than David Hirsh “oi punk, your anti-Semitic”. Is this the best the Zionists can bring out? Here’s his bio:
Here what David Hirsh “oi punk, your Anti-Semitic” says which "proves" Israel isn’t a racist state:
Okay, let’s get to business and see if David Hirch “oi punk, your anti-Semitic” has “proved” that Israel isn’t a racist or a nazi state. I’ll let others do the writing so lets tackle the first one. Is Israel a racist state, we will compare Israel with South Africa (when it was an apartheid state): The following list, paraphrased from Dr. Davis’s observations, offers some sobering food for thought:
Now, for the second one. Is Israel a Nazi State, I’ll let DesertPeace (A Jewish Brother who is based in Jerusalem):
The following is taken from THIS report on Israeli prisons. Thanks to Sabbah for originally posting this segment.
Source: Jihad and the city Readers have left 8 comments.
George:
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This article is so factually incorrect and so bad that it is hard to even work out where to start. The Palestinian residents of East Jerusalem live in Palestine and are not Israeli citizens. It would be a illegal for Israel to confer upon them Israeli citizen unless they choose to apply for it. Were Israel to do so Israel would be formally incorporating East Jerusalem into the state of Israel. Therefore the process differences between Israelis resident in East Jerusalem (illegally as settlers?) and Palestinian citizens wishing to enter Israel are paralleled in other countries and are to be expected.The Wall should be repositioned according to the judgement along the Green Line, but that is as far as the judgement goes. If Israel were to relocate it there it would not be illegal, neither would closing the crossing points to non-Israelis.The constraint upon Israelis bringing in Palestinian spouses from the Territories in fact merely applied to these people the constraints that others had always faced. It should be remembered that the present Palestinian government regards itself at war with Israel and thus these Palestinian spouses are in fact enemy nationals are far as Israel is concerned.
Israel is not obliged by any law to provide Palestinians citizens resident in the West Bank or Gaza with access to the Israeli hospital system, any more than the USA is obliged to provide medical services to any UK national who presents themselves at their border. The constant repetition of this absurd allegation that Israeli is like former S. Africa merely serves to polarise communities that desperately need to start a meaningful dialogue. Of course if you see yourself engaged in an existential conflict against the other side (Israeli or Palestinian) then dialogue is a pointless waste of time.
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2006-11-02 09:32:02
Kathy:
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They can lie to themselves but we who are more enlightened know the truth. Even within Israel amongst the Jewish population, there is racism. Those with darker coloured skin are second class citizens. Ooops, deja vu, hasn't this happened before, in Germany perhaps?
I have seen programmes where Iranian Jews who were conned into going to Israel to boost the numbers of Jews, now say that they would rather have remained in Iran as their life was better there. If they can treat fellow Jews in this way then the Muslims and Christians have no chance. Perhaps they do not class themselves as racist because this is the norm for them.
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2006-11-02 10:27:46
Roger Gooding:
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The Nazis persecuted the Jews and killed millions
The Jews now appear to be treating Muslims in a similar way, especially in Palastime (where Christians also suffer the same fate) and Lebanon (some Christians there as well) I have a number of Christian friends who believe that Chritians in the UK will suffer the same fate at the hands of Muslims at some time in the future.(Chrstian already suffer persecution for exercising their faith in a number of Muslim controlled countries. Why does this have to happen? Muslims, Christians and Jews have quite a lot in common . We all worship the same one true God for a start.
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2006-11-02 17:41:07
Shazy:
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So are we so much better?
The Palestinian Constitution defines a Palestinian as a person with a Palestinian father. Women do not have the right to pass down their national identity to their children. Women are described as being subordinate beings to men and thus denied equality. The same document defines itself as being of Islamic origin and informed and directed by Islam. It does not clarify whether under this new constitution Jews descended from people born outside of Palestine after 1917 but having been resident since are Palestinians or can acquire Palestinian citizenship. This is a major issue if a single state is to be brought about as from 1948 until 1964 no Jew could obtain Palestinian citizenship or legally reside in any part of Palestine according to the Palestinian leadership. Then from 1964 onward until now only Jews descended from people registered as permanent residents could obtain citizenship. Whereas for non-Jews the citizenship requirements were two years residency. The PNA still deny Jews the right to live in their areas and demand that all Jews are removed. We have got to stop creating this stupid fiction that we are somehow so much better than the Jews when we clearly are not. Until we do this we cannot expect the Jews to listen to our pleas for a peaceful solution.
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2006-11-02 20:46:26
Akil:
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Salaamz,
There is something very wrong with the dating system of the comments on this site. How come comments are being post in months of 2007? We are still about 2 months from the beginning of 2007. Someone please check up on this problem.
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2006-11-05 16:29:53
Shazy:
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To say that what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians is comparable with what the Nazis did to the Jews and other during WW2 is to display either a terrible understanding of present evenst and history or a deliberate decision to misrepresent facts. Despite the awfulness of Israeli actions, they are not gassing anyone, they haven't committed any massacre of a par with Baba Yar and they haven't conducted executions like those in Lidice, Czechoslovakia.
99% of the victims of the Nazis were unarmed and did not participate in any form of resistance. They went like lambs to slaughter. In fact the first significant act of resistance was in the Warsaw Ghetto in 1943. The Palestinians have actively pursued a number of courses militarily. They continue to do so. BTW there are proportionally more Muslims in the IDF than Muslims in the British Army. Tom Hurndall was shot down by a Bedouin Muslim. The use of the word Jews instead of Israeli fails to recognise that some Jews are anti-Zionist.
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2006-11-06 14:40:23
Shazy:
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Roger Gooding - Well your comments how that Christians can be as paranoid as Muslims and Jews.
Let's get one thing really clear shall we - there is not a holocaust going on against the Palestinians. The Nazis and their allies killed 6 million Jews between 09/1939 and 06/1945. This equalled to 33% of all Jews alive in 1939. Therefore had the Nazis been allowed to continue they might have killed all the Jews in 15 years or less as their effeiciency improved over time. The Israelis have occupied the West Bank and Gaza, and arguable all of western Palestine since 1967. The Palestinian population has grown in that tinme significantly several universities have been built, slums cleared, univeral education for boys and girls, etc. Hardly the environment that the Nazis constructed in the occupied lands. The Israelis can be very very brutal, and it's not really surprising given the violence started in the 1920's and has continued on and on. One day someone might stop shooting and try giving peace a chance but its a long way off. As for Christians in the Middle East. They are leaving because of fear and threats. Soon if things continue there will be no Christians in Bethlehem. Prof Habib of Beirut Uni has higlighted the real possibility of the return to Dar al Dhimmi and the violence that entailed. But most of all the Christians will leave because western Christians wont stand up for them.
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2006-11-06 20:49:09
Jason Smith:
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ITS ISREAL'S FAULT!
David Ben Gurion was the first Prime Minister of Israel and as leader was instrumental in the founding of the state of Israel at the expiration of the British Mandate. Here follows quotes from David Ben Gurion: "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." -- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99. "Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country." -- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech." So you see even Ben Gurion quietly admits that it was the Zionists who were the aggressors, the ones who violated the sanctity of the Palestinian Home Land and continue to persecute and Oppress the Natives to this day. You know they say there's no smoke without fire and that nothing happens in a vacuum. How on earth did the Israelis and their powerful allies in the West expect the Palestinians to feel and react to the injustices? Did they expect the Israeli actions to win hearts and minds and every other body piece, did they expect rose pedals at the feet of the Israeli soldiers and the accompanying settlers. You see what the West and Israel fail to understand is that it is aggression, persecution and tyranny that breeds hatred, resentment and a violent reaction. The Palestinians are Humans not Machines; kick a human in the teeth it hurts. There wasn’t any reaction from the Palestinians without Israeli actions. ISREAL is at fault and clearly in the WRONG! I am English, if my country was attacked like this I too would react in exactly the same way as Hammas. The only resolution to the Israeli Palestinian problem is to peacefully dismantle the State of Israel and to hand back sovereignty to its Native population, the Palestinians. The Jews could still live there but under absolute Palestinian sovereignty.
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2006-11-07 19:30:15
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