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SHOCKER: Minister Attacks Muslim Youth's Input As “Crap” at Home Office Consultation Print E-mail
Friday, 25 August 2006

 

The governments ''tackling extremism'' and consultation with Muslims road show kicked off in Bolton earlier this week. Whether the aim of the event was to consult or insult the Muslim community, the end result was a meaningless farce.

The proposed aim of the event was to address ‘how to tackle extremist ideologies and prevent young people being drawn into extremism. A rational approach to any problem would be first to identify/define the problem and then look at its causes before proposing a solution.

The government and its representatives have still failed to define what they define as extremism. The Minister Phil Woolas readily related religion to extremism and by extension terrorism, while the consensus of the group, to the contrary maintained that extremism and terrorism are linked to political and not religious motives.

The Minister further illustrated his ignorance and sheer disdain of Muslims by stating that Muslim concerns over Britain's Foreign Policy were ''nonsense'' and not legitimate grievances. Illustrating the approach and futility of these consultations, Phil Woolas bluntly dismissed my views as ''crap'' and insignificant. The alarming irony is that these words were uttered by the Governments Minister for Local and Community Cohesion, just days before the launch of the new Commission for Integration and Cohesion.

Echoing the views of the Home Secretary John Reid last week, Woolas stated that addressing the issues of Foreign Policy would be pandering to extremists and terrorists. Would the Minister then brand me an extremist if I demand our government to adopt an ethical foreign policy? In fact, the majority of participants at the event later approached and informed me that they agreed with my views, would the Minister then deem them as extremists as well?

The government’s irresponsible and vague definitions of extremism have perpetuated a climate of fear in the British community. Resulting in incidents such as that on the weekend, where two innocent men were hauled off a flight for simply 'looking' Muslim. We don't want or need such futile token gestures from the government, we demand genuine consultation, where our views and concerns are acknowledged and respected. This wholly unconstructive exercise further undermined by the poor choice of Minister present could serve only to worsen relations with the Muslim community.

While the event was aimed at engaging with the wider Muslim community – young people in particular, the female representation was minimal and youth representation glaringly absent; yet in hindsight I am pleased that more young Muslims were not present. As a foremost advocate for the need to enhance community cohesion and strengthen our communities, if those young people had been exposed to the Phil Woolas School of thought, I fear that it would have sent out a very alarming message to young minds who may already harbour a sense of alienation and uncertainty.

As a young Muslim, how can the government expect me to trust in their aims, initiatives or sincerity after such an incident? What credibility does it have left after a Minister insults my legitimate concerns as ‘crap’ because I didn’t agree with him? Until and unless the government is prepared to take an honest and sincere approach in its consultation, with a genuine desire to address issues raised, do not waste our time, efforts and tax payer’s money in setting up more Committees, Commission’s, Consultations or Road Shows.

While I was sceptical of the aims and outcomes of the Home Office consultation, I made the effort and invited a group of articulate and active women to engage in the consultation. The disappointment of the event aside, the least I would expect from the organisers of the event is an apology from the Minister Phil Woolas.

I look forward to your response.




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Readers have left 37 comments.
Ali Abdullah: Quote

We are all extremists unless we kiss Blair's bum and lick his boots!
(1) 2006-08-25 01:01:25
badrzamaan: Quote

Yesterday one of my English friends said to me "I want to embrace Islam and become an extremist" I told him you can't be both. You either be A good muslim or an Extremist. This is the meassage I wish to tell Mr Woolas.
Yes, your foreign policy created the mess in this land. You people alone ignited the terrorism by your rather ludicrous (NEW)middle east concern.
We Muslims are the victims in both sides. If terror plot is foiled then the innocent muslims are sidelined by the government and we suffer the consequences of the unfair foreign policy of the west.
(2) 2006-08-25 07:44:18
Shabz: Quote

The Spokesperson and Press Officer for Phil Woolas is Iain Sears at the DCLG

His email address is iain.sears@communities.gsi.gov.uk
Tel: 0207 944 5274

Send him an email or if you don't have time to type anything just copy and paste the above article.
(3) 2006-08-25 09:07:41
guererro: Quote

I'm shocked and apalled at reading this and can't believe the audacity and blatant disregard of the governments approach to the Muslim community.

How can we complain and what should we do?
(4) 2006-08-25 09:17:07
bella: Quote

We can't sit back and let ignorant bullies like Phil Woolas get away with this.
Register your complaints, call his office and the organisers of the event: Government Northwest:

Email: woolasp@parliament.uk
Email: northwest@new.labour.org.uk
Tel: 01925 574913
Government North westoffice : tel: 0161 952 4000
Write: Party regional office:
St James' Court
Wilderspool Causeway
Warrington
WA4 6PS
(5) 2006-08-25 09:21:45
arshad: Quote

I am getting the sinking feeling that all this Government spiel about cohesion is yet more spin.

They say they want to "engage" with young muslims. What a load of rubbish!

Since when is telling someone they are talking "crap" engaging Mr Woollass???
(6) 2006-08-25 09:22:15
bella: Quote

Contact the organisers, Government NW:
Keith Barnes, Regional Director, Government Northwest

Email: keith.barnes@gonw.gsi.gov.uk
Tel: 0161 952 4002
(7) 2006-08-25 09:24:17
Salim: Quote

Going through the motions...

If this Blairite govt was serious about tackling Terrorism then the Muslim community would truly engage. Once again the agenda is set and boxes are ticked to say we consulted the Muslim commnunity.

This event was organised three days earlier and took place 9-12 on a Monday. If they were serious about this they would have also considered consulting the working professionals who couldn't just take time off at the drop of a hat.

well done the Home Office! - boxes ticked, move on and do what you do without really wanting safety for us, the British public.

Personally glad I didn't take time off for this shambles.

Well done for exposing this event and confirming my suspicions.
(8) 2006-08-25 10:04:50
Abdullah, Peterborough: Quote

Being a muslim male born and raised in the UK should leave one in a position to comment, how many of the contributors of this government led action, and the other efforts being made to understand the problem, meet this demograhic?

Having repeatedly heard the media and politions state that this is a muslim problem that the muslim community should address.

As a member of this community I simply state this the bombers on 7/7 have told us why they carried out there attacks.

What I have failded to hear is that the actions of many of these youngersters are politically motivated with the role of islam be that of providing moral legitimacy, no more no less.

as for the article above, very Interesting.
(9) 2006-08-25 10:53:55
Abdullah, Peterborough: Quote

Being a muslim male born and raised in the UK should leave one in a position to comment, how many of the contributors of this and the other efforts being made to understand the problem, meet this demograhic.

Having repeatedly heard the media and politions state that this is a muslim problem that the muslim community should address.

As a member of this community I simply state this the bombers on 7/7 have told us why they carried out there attacks.

What I have failded to hear is that the actions of many of these youngersters are politically motivated with the role of islam be that of providing moral legitimacy, no more no less.

as for the article above, very Interesting.
(10) 2006-08-25 10:54:24
Anonmouse: Quote

Ruth Kelly chaired a roundtable seminar with muslim leaders. She later denied in an interview that anyone attending had made the link between the war and radicalisation. Except she lied according to several of the attendees of the meeting (Today programe Radio 4, 19 August - listen online). This proves she will readily lie and say whatever the Government tell her.

Given what happened above with Woolas calling muslims' views "crap" and with Kelly lying about what muslims told her, this "Consultation" is truly a misnomer - the Government, through Woolas, Kelly, Howells et al are looking down their noses at us and saying we are so uneducated that our opinions are wrong and our views are meaningless.

What they miss is that it is not important whether we are right or wrong because you cannot argue this issue out, certainly you have singularly failed to do so by calling our views crap and by misrepresenting us to the rest of the UK community.

We are telling you we know why there is terrorism and why young people are attracted to this cause. This is the overriding view of the British Muslim community; we are telling you in your roundtable seminars and we will tell you in your "consultations". Listen to us now - however bad the media fallout - because we know the root causes are foreign policy and you not be able to subjugate such a widely held and strongly believed view by calling it "crap" or by lying about it.
(11) 2006-08-25 11:09:04
umar: Quote

Does anyone know his email address so we can tell him in person to issue an apology???

(I know a way to email him if we don't have his email address.)

I'll wait for an MPAC response to this before I give you my way.
(12) 2006-08-25 11:56:18
A cynic: Quote

The government yet again want populist policies so they can get right in there with white extremists at the next election at the expense of muslim communities without doing much more than having a talking shop about integration.

The government do not want to talk about white extremists and fundamentalists such as the british national party as this is not a vote winner but what is a vote winner is creating a scapegoat and saying that muslims are to blame for eveything and this wooly chap proves what a farce it is.

Salma Yaqoob from Respect said that this was just a blame game and she is right.
(13) 2006-08-25 12:12:43
Al: Quote

You cannot have a Foreign policy based on religion. Should the foreign policy for Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi, Malaysia, Indonesia all be the same because they are Islamic?

Would you want the foreign policy to be changed if the countries surrounding Israel were Christian, Hindu or Budhist?

And SirB, you're a hypocrite if you assume that all Jews are the same.
(14) 2006-08-25 12:48:08
umar: Quote

Hi all,

I've emailed Woolas and all of the below people

northwest@new.labour.org.uk; iain.sears@communities.gsi.gov.uk; keith.barnes@gonw.gsi.gov.uk

and suggested the Mr Woolas issues an immediate apology, as he is damaging the whole "engagement" process.
(15) 2006-08-25 14:16:14
Nadeem: Quote

It is obvious the government has its agenda and will carry it out no matter what anyone thinks, especially the muslim community.

All this farce that the muslim community doesn't engage is just a smokescreen. Look at what happens when we do engage ?

They deliberately misinterpreted the MCB letter and this article proves its just a 'ticking the boxes' excercise for themselves, very insincere!!

The muslims are in for a very hard time in the coming years. It will get worse. Non of us can afford to stand on the sidelines anymore. We must act together to defend our rights and our Deen.
(16) 2006-08-25 15:18:41
Adam S: Quote

You should forward this to the news desks at the Guardian or Independent to see if they will run with it. Also does anyone have the email address to the minister Mr Woolas reports to (is it Ruth Kelly?) - she should also be copied into complaint emails.
(17) 2006-08-25 15:51:30
Bilal Patel: Quote

I think this proves once again how gullible Muslims are. Once again, they participate in a venture which serves only the government agenda, which is to dismiss us all as 'extremists'. In fact, what Muslims should do is definitely not participate in these kind of events, make clear to everyone that we are not going to be manipulated like this, and have a discussion on our own terms, and no-one else's. Stop engaging in these kinds of silly government exercises.
(18) 2006-08-25 18:06:29
jav: Quote

blairites can say what they likes... the truth is muslims will no longer remain silent... we will voice our concerns... we will be listened to. if the blairites think they can silenc us..."THINK AGAIN BLAIR...THINK AGAIN!"

the government has no legitamite reason to deal with extremism...when ever it claims to engage with muslims, its a mere PR Stunt.
(19) 2006-08-25 18:13:14
Absolute Bias & Prejudice: Quote

It's unbelievable that Israeli representatives are allowed to comment and oversee matters concerning the Muslim Community.

There is absolute Bias and prejudice whenever you have someone from the Israeli community; commenting on matters relating to Islam and Muslims. Take for example Melene Phillips, Janet Daily, Ann Lesley. Just read any articles or speech given by these individuals.

To get more information on Israeli companies and the mass media deception please visit Frank Weltner's (M.A.) website, jewwatch.com archived from article's appearing on wikipedia.
(20) 2006-08-25 18:34:56
Bubba: Quote

Clearly the Labour Party are not afraid of repercussions at the next general election from disatisfied Muslim voters, and why should they be!

For all those 'brothers and sisters' who voted Labour, please don't be upset with your masters now.

For God's sake... if Muslims were Jews they would be voting for Hitler, that's how dumb we are. Tactical voting. that is the only answer
(21) 2006-08-25 18:56:33
Basil: Quote

ALL OF YOU

ASK YOURSELF WHY THEY DO THIS AND SAY THAT...AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN... AND GET AWAY WITH IT?

WHERE IS THE UMMAH THERE IS ONLY REMMAH BETWEEN THE MUSLIMS

I SEE MUSLIMS BUT NOT ISLAM

UNIT OR LIVE LIKE PARIAH
(22) 2006-08-25 20:08:23
wendy mann: Quote

Ive posted this sentiment in the forum, why isnt mpac having a very simple campaign.

'Its Foreign Policy, Stupid!' is all that is required in the subject section of an email.

The e mail just needs to be sent to the labour party or to your local mp, even to both.

How can they not respond to a massive response from British people in what I believe would be a very effective campaign.
(23) 2006-08-25 21:54:53
Zara2005: Quote

Tony Blair is f*cked up... with his neocan sufi muslim council.. stabbing us in our backs with the rawafids...Damn podle blair and his master dickhead bush
(24) 2006-08-25 22:01:20
basil: Quote

using email addresses posted on here

I have emailed all concerned with my disdain and to Fill that Wooly bag of Sh't and kick him out of any future so called consultations with Muslims

ALL PLEASE DO THE SAME

PILE ON THE PRESSURE
(25) 2006-08-26 11:01:59
Ian Olive: Quote

So long as this government insists on telling us all that the extremist threat to Britain, a country that pretty well all incomers have chosen to live in because it's basically a good place to live and bring up your kids, etc., etc., has nothing to do with the Bush/Blair axis, there will be young Muslims who will feel sufficiently enraged abou the UK's foreign policy to take their protests to the limit. Their rage will be routinely fired up and fanned to inferno level by leaders who don't have the guts to implement their considered solutions to a conclusion.

I doubt that the extremist cult has very much to do with Islam. Islam is simply the vehicle for translating rage, real or contrived, into direct action because there is no other vehicle available to them. So the sooner the Islamic 'leaders' have the backbone to stand up for what Islam really teaches and makes sure that the message is clearly communicated and received, the sooner their genuine views will be heard by the people. Then the government would be obliged to fall into step. Until then, it will be business as usual.

Don't you just get sick of being told what to think by Ruth 'opus dei' Kelly, she of the awful hairdo and incredibly unfashionable clothes. What a presentational disaster she is. Nu-Labour isn't taking this issue seriously if it is putting her in charge of anything more demanding than the stationary cupboard.
(26) 2006-08-26 12:35:39
Basil: Quote

Woolas

A closed mind is like a closed book; just a block of wood
(27) 2006-08-27 10:47:15
Basil: Quote

There is no limits to Bush's ignorance
“You can fool some of the people all of the time and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.” George W. Bush, 'joking' at a Gridiron Club dinner,- Washington, D.C., March 2001


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
--Theodore Roosevelt, 1912
(28) 2006-08-27 23:16:27
Africana: Quote

The government wants the Muslim slaves.This is not going to happen. Anyone who says that the extremist terrorist Foreign Policy plays no part is just talking shit or crap. The British government under the insidious NATO umbrella is playing real video games of killing Muslim children, women and men (Ask the parents of the soldier who killed himself. In training he was told children as old as 2 are suicide bombers. He left a note saying I do not want to shoot children. He was told shoot first ask questions later)The Brit government and Her Majesty’s Forces are on a killing spree in Middle East, Afghanistan and are dying to get into Sudan as are the grotesque cartoon states like DenmarkBlair was pimping for more carnage in Beirut, Kabul, Baghdad, Palestine, Somalia, Sudan ……I do not know what the west calls extremism but I do know that I become extremely ferociously angry when my people are slaughtered by mass murderers, serial killers, rapists and sadist bastards even if they call themselves HM this or that and that “STUPID IS YOUR FOREIGN POLICY”.(Thanks Wendy, much appreciated)You want to destroy Muslim lands, kill Muslims and you want me to stay silent?Bombs have never crossed my property but horrific weapons have used Tony Blair’s country to bomb innocent civilians and I am an extremist & terrorist?Its your “EXTREMIST & TERRORIST FOREIGN POLICY”WE SHOULD KNOW because we are the ones who are on the receiving end.Do not attend any governmental insanity till they acknowledge our views. “Not only do they beat us but than the insane brutes tell us how we should react” – IS OVERFlood their email boxes.To the author: You expect women to come to such insane butchering neocohen mantra meetings? Where Her Majesty’s government advocates slaughter of their sisters children, their sisters, their brothers and their elders and Muslim should not be bothered by it? How absolutely repulsive! Everytime I see butcher blair I see a ghoulish image with fangs dripping with blood of Ummah children and I am sure my sisters feel the same.They have better things to do than be “Butcher Blair-the war pimping cheerleader” listeners. We have no stomach for it.
(29) 2006-08-28 08:48:13
Ghulam Muhammed, Mumbai: Quote

It is time, British establishment take note of British Muslims viewpoints on foreign policy of their nation. Blair cannot just go on railroading his buccaneering agenda to be business as usual. UK will have to give full consideration to see if British Muslims and their worldview could be an improvement on Britian's old colonial agenda that sustained Britain for centuries. The Muslim ethics and sensitivities should be evaluated with open unjuandiced way and not be brushed aside as 'crap' in a heedy moment of over-confidence and dangerous level of supriority complex. Britian will have to chart out a new course for its future, which is a much awaited exercise, even without British Muslims goading the establishment towards a rethinking of its goals while interacting with different countries and people of the world. Its economics should reflect new challenges that cannot be always met with force of arms.

Ghulam Muhammed, Mumbai
(30) 2006-08-28 12:09:03
Tehzabwala: Quote

Its rather simple, this is the 21st century, not like the good ol' days of terrorizing populations far away without reprecussions. Only an idiot would deny that a foreign policy based on terrorism and mass murder would not invite blowback. Woolas seems to be such an idiot. If anything neocons and their puppets ought to be pulled from planes and humiliated in public.
(31) 2006-08-29 11:15:00
Joe Ahmed: Quote

Woolas is an absolute fool. Given his comments about the riots being aided by young Muslims frustrated by lack of alcohol and pre-marital sex there is no reason to expect him to be sensible or serious in any way.Muslims would be better off joining his local party and getting him de-selected due to his abdication of the historical commitment of the Labour Party to supporting the oppressed.All the government are in denial about foreign policy not playing a role in disaffection of young Muslims.However, many Muslim are in denial about the fact that foreign policy is not the ONLY reason behind the bombings. There were millions who opposed Iraq war - it's only Muslim Britons who are blowing themselves up on the tube. We can't lay all the blame at the door of the 'evil kuffar'
(32) 2006-08-30 20:49:15
Basil: Quote

Joe Ahmed

When where did Woollasse say young Muslims frustrated due to lack of alcohol and pre -marital sex and who reported it and what did he exactly? Post the details on here please
(33) 2006-09-01 09:45:48
Basil: Quote

Jo Ahmed

say's "we can't lay all the blame at the door of the Kaffar"

Okay so he infers that we should lay the blame at the MUSLIM BRITONS

Can you explain what BLAME are we to lay at the British Muslims please articulate this blame??????

Cos some/many/majority (what ever) Muslims say British foreign policy, the causing of loss of life of Muslims e.g. in Iraq and recently support to supply weapons to Israel and refusal to ask for a ceasefire plays into the hands of terrorism and terrorist who commit suicide bombing.

These Muslims are asking the gov. to admit it and take it on board when tackling this terrorist phenomenon.

So I ask you what blame can you place on ALL muslins for the bombing, which is caused by a handful of people?
Are you implying that all Muslims are implicit in the suicide bombing and hence we must laly the blame on every Muslim's door step? That is the government's propoganda from the outset "collective blame of Muslims policy"
(34) 2006-09-01 10:14:25
STOP THE PRESS!: Quote

2 August 2006

FINALLY, A CHANGE OF HEART

But yesterday in sunny Los Angeles Tony Blair finally admitted Britain needs a new foreign policy.

There can be a no more glaring admission that the strategy of the war on terror has been so hopelessly wrong.

Read the full article here

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/voiceofthemirror/tm_objectid=17501313%26method=full%26siteid=94762-name_page.html
(35) 2006-09-03 04:00:43
The blind leading the deaf: Quote

There was a time when British foreign policy was shrewd and sensible. Lord Salisbury once described it, with all the self-confidence of great imperial power, as "floating lazily downstream, occasionally putting out a diplomatic boat hook to avoid collisions." But then power ebbed and the theater of illusion took over.

For the last 50 years, British foreign policy has been based on two illusions. The first was that Britain could exercise immense influence in Europe by remaining outside it.

The second was that Britain's interest was always best served by tagging along behind the United States. Both illusions continue undimmed.

Source: International Herald Tribune
(36) 2006-09-03 04:36:11
Blairites:: Quote

Foreign Office Minister Lord Triesman said.
(1) . . "Britain's foreign policy is not "anti-Islamic" and cannot be used as a justification for terrorism"

And a week on from the alleged airline bomb plot, Mr Triesman comments
(2) . . "Extremists were trying to exploit delicate foreign policy issues to justify the unjustifiable.

(1) Ok not anti-Islamic, but anti-Iraq, anti-Iran, anti-Lebanon, anti-Palestine, anit-Afghanistan, anti-Islamist, anti-Fascist Islamist, anti-Islamist Extremist, anti-any Muslim who dares question it's moral justification

Why accuse them when NO Muslim that I have met have attempted to justify terrorism, but rather have tried to get the Blarites to acknowledge that their foreign policy as it stands (proactive support for Israel and America killing of Iraqi's, Lebanese, Palestinians, Afghanis etc) is fuelling terrorist sentiments, The sooner it is admitted the sooner the likely hood that they will address the cause and effect of the underground suicide bombings.

(2) Delicate in plain English means controversial policy, and for pointing this out or speaking against the Blairite foreign policy I will be branded as EXTREMIST and if I am a muslim then a MUSLIM EXTREMIST


Yeeeah foreign policy is not auntie- Islamist but it is ANTI-ISLAMIST in rhetoric and implementation
(37) 2006-09-03 05:16:52
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