| More On "Islamo-fascism" & Smokescreens To Terrorism |
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| Wednesday, 16 August 2006 | |
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When are Bush and his neocon nutjobs going to stop using this abusive and senseless word? I've already shown that "Islamofascism" and "Islamic fascists" are nothing but a figment of neocon imagination... more like wet dreams in the creation of an "enemy" that has an "ideology", and is a "real threat". None of this is true. Al Qaeda and their like, while despicable, are far from being fascists: they don't have the secular or nationalist capability of being fascists. Furthermore, to say that is a mask to hide the true intentions of some neocons, who want a war with Islam. But what can one do? I mean, Bush appears stupid enough, like some sort of dumb animal. Animals are dumb, so why be angry at them for being who they are? So, yeah, Bush is dumb as well, but this guy is HUMAN, which makes me even angrier at such a neocon nutjob puppet.
Amazing. "Nazi-like" describes the simplicity of neocon pundits: they implement a "good vs. evil" approach to justify their atrocities. So, in effect, the people are evil, and therefore they must be destroyed. No one is fighting the neocon war... at least not a lot of people. Not a lot of people want war, yet they do. They demonize their "enemy", and therefore justify the aggression. Look at the Iraq war, for God's sake. Look at what they did in order to make it appear that they have gone in as liberators, and look at the state of Iraq today. But that aside, Imraan tells us now of the "moral superiority" smokescreen, which is not only evident, but also out there, and makes us feel that indeed the neocons are the good guys. Hardly, my friends:
Amen. Moral superiority is a joke. I have already claimed that morality is subjective, but what isn't subjective is murder. Why? Because it's what it is. Murder is not something to escape from: you do it or you don't. Innocent civilians don't view such attacks as "accidents" or "collateral damage". No one does. Even then, many of these cases turn out that militants are not in the area. Furthermore, the polarization is that we are led to believe that Israel are the good guys and that everyone hates Hamas, for say. Many people view Hamas as a resistance movement, and Israel can't face that. But anyways, that aside, let's move along:
The last note meant that 9/11 was some horrible day that Americans should never forget. What about Jenin? Qana? Deir Yasseen? Sabra and Chatila, et al.? More people died there, and in more horrible ways. Why is 9/11 brought up all of a sudden? As much as I condemn 9/11 terrorism, I also am against this globalization issue, which I will be writing about later. Anyways, now to our final topic, which is the main topic of this issue:
Yes, Mr. Siddiqui. I agree with you wholeheartedly, and you have spoken for me. It is times like these that we should open our eyes more and push aside all propaganda bullshit, and keep our eyes on the neocon media. There are many out there who want war with the Islamic world, just because they see it fit and that they "represent freedom and democracy". Well, I'll tell you that democracy to them means their choice of puppet leaders, freedom is our imprisonment, and security is our death. "War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength," just as Orwell said in his book 1984. People, don't let the neocons dictate such "morality" to us. We are against their plans, and against what they want: a Middle East that succumbs to their ideals and subjugates us to more imprisonment and desperation. It's time that we speak out against this injustice and preach for more support for REAL PEACE, REAL SECURITY, REAL DEMOCRACY and REAL CO-EXISTENCE... something which should be universal. Let's just hope that the neocon movement loses ground, and real progression, real liberalism, etc. be brought forth... for the sake of all human beings, and revive humanity from the darkness that the rightwing extremists have plunged it into.
Salaam, from Saracen           Readers have left 30 comments.
A Former Labour Party Voter:
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What better defense of your cause than accusing others of being what you actually are yourself which Bush, Blair and the Labour party are very good at.
Bush, Blair and the Labour Party accuse muslims of being terrorists, extremists, fundametalists, nutcases etc... and also conveniently use 'Islamic'whenever they can. Yet who has been responsible for killing and justfying the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent muslims all over the world as well as being responsible for the suffering of millions more.... all in the name of civilisation, freedom and democracy. It makes my blood boil.
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2006-08-16 11:01:10
Rory:
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Excellent piece, Saracen!I have already posted it far and wide & recommend that others do so as well.
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2006-08-16 11:05:57
Leiff:
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Could the users of the "Islamofascism" and "Islamic fascists" phrases be prosecuted under race/religious hatred laws?
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2006-08-16 12:54:01
A former Labour Party Voter:
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What I have always found obscene is that Blair and the Labour Party would have us beleive that if anyone was given the choice of dying either by a 'terrorist' bomb or one that was one of those smart bombs which went astray then they would definitelty choose to die by a smart bomb that was dropped by Bush, Blair and the labour Party as that would make a big differece as they weren't murdered on purpose.
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2006-08-16 12:54:12
Abd Al-Rahman Al-Rashed:
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Many of us are only concerned with reputation and image, our image in the media, and the reputation of the Muslims in the world, but they do not care about reforming the original source, their children. When U.S. President George W. Bush described those who plotted to kill thousands of passengers in ten airliners as Muslim fascists, protests from a number of Islamic societies in the West and the East were voiced against this description. What is wrong with using a bad adjective to describe a terrorist as long as he is willing to personally call himself an Islamist; declares his stance, schemes, and aims; while his supporters publicly call for killing of those whom they consider infidels, or disagree with them religiously or politically? The strange thing is that the protesting groups, which held a press conference, would have done better to have held it to denounce the deeds of those affiliated to Islam, who harmed all Muslims and Islam. Bush did not say that the Muslims were fascists; he said that the Muslim fascists were the problem, i.e. he distinguished between an extremist group and the general innocent peaceful Muslims. Yes, fascism is a word that has bad connotations, and is used here to approximate the meaning to the listeners. The Westerners know that fascism is an extremist nationalist movement, which emerged from the European society, and was responsible for destructive wars caused by its premises, which are based on discrimination, racism and hatred. This approximation is correct when you apply it to the literature of the Islamic extremists. The same as the Europeans fought fascism and the fascists by word and by gunpowder, the world will fight the extremist Islamists. This is what the good Muslims, who are at the forefront of those hunting down Al-Qaeda, do; the same as the Muslim who exposed the latest conspiracy to hijack the airliners, when he hastened to inform the security authorities when he suspected what was happening in the neighborhood. This is why I do not understand what those people - who want to protect reputation and image from the Westerners - want to call the Muslim extremists who resort to violence. Do they want to call them Khawarij (the earliest Islamic sect, which traces its beginning to a religious-political controversy over the Caliphate)? The problem is that no one (in the West) understands its historical meaning. Do they call them by their names only, such as Osama, Ayman, Muhammad, and Zamani? Do they call them according to the sarcastic Egyptian way: 'people who should remain nameless?'Describing them as fascists in the west is better than all the bad adjectives that rightly or wrongly have been attributed to them. This is because as far as the Westerners are concerned, fascism means a specifically defined group that still lives within their societies, is from their ethnic groups and religion, and hence distinguishes between them and the others. What is more important than preoccupation with preserving the image is to rectify the situation, and to confront the extremists among us. The majority of the Westerners did not know anything about Islam and Muslims until bin Laden, Al-Zawahiri, Muhammad Atta, and the culprits of the London explosions called themselves Islamists, and started to use the Koran and the Islamic historical nomenclatures. You cannot call the Red Brigades Movement anything other than what they call themselves, and there is no escape from calling them Italian communists; the same applies to the National Front in Britain, which is described as a Nazi and fascist movement. In the end, describing rotten apples as rotten does not make the people hate eating good apples. The same applies to the Muslims; there are one billion Muslims in the world, and the world has no option other than dealing with them, and hunting down the evil minority among them. We have wasted a long time since the seventies in being preoccupied with protesting against nomenclatures and images. This is despite the fact that these people hijack civilian airliners, kill people in restaurants, and justify their actions by using pan-Arab or Islamic descriptions. To describe a Muslim as terrorist is natural if he is a terrorist, the same as you do with a Colombian drug smuggler, an Italian mafioso, a Russian butcher, a British Nazi, or a U.S. right-wing extremist.
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2006-08-16 13:56:13
azaad:
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Aziz: yes indeed its time to use that term ZIONAZIS! It has long been alleged by visitors to Israel that they behave like Nazis towards Palestinians. What they do is nthing short of ZIONAZISM.
And here's another thing: it's about time we STOPPED using the 'harmless' and neutral term 'NEOCON'. These people are firmly rooted in their reliegious belief and are generally born again evangelising Christians. (Indeed one of them advocated the invading of all Islamic countries where there wasn't a Democracy, by USA, their conversion to CHRISTIANITY, and the installation of Western liberal governments. They are NOT 'Neocons' -- In reality they are CHRISTO-FASCISTS!
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2006-08-16 14:39:30
Sonia:
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Although I've written a long piece here, I do hope that you would kindly show this to your avid readers. My beliefs about Islam have changed dramatically(mostly because I’ve left Islam). Nevertheless, I recently realized why I had been so quick to defend the Muslim religion. Over the years, I’ve known several Muslims, and they have all been kind, peaceful individuals. Indeed, despite the popular portrait of Muslims burning flags and desecrating images of George Bush, the majority of Muslims are normal, faithful, peaceful people, going about their daily lives with no intention of blowing up buildings or of burning anyone’s flag. Many in the West deny this, but they typically do so because they have never so much as talked to a Muslim.
The benevolent nature of these Muslims has a profound psychological effect on Westerners. It causes us to say, "Wait a minute. Islam can’t be bad, because Muslims are such nice people. Thus, the terrorists who blow up buildings and subways must be extremists." Once we have convinced ourselves of this, we may even find ourselves defending Islam, as I once did. We know that people are angry at terrorists, and we know that some of these angry people may want to take out their anger on Muslims. So we end up defending Islam in order to protect our Muslim friends. While protecting people is certainly a noble goal, defending Islam is an entirely different story. If someone were to ask me, "Sonia, do you believe that Islam is a religion of peace?" my answer would not be "Yes" or "No." Rather, my response would be, "First tell me what you mean when you say ‘Islam,’ for it is a term that is used in different ways." If by "Islam" we mean the religion that is practiced by more than a billion people around the world, I could reasonably answer with a qualified "Yes," because it is a religion of peace for many people (though not for all). But if by "Islam" we mean the religion taught by Muhammad, I would have to respond with a resounding "No." At this point my Muslim readers will be saying to themselves, "What is this infidel woman talking about? There is only one Islam, perfectly preserved in the Holy Qur’an from the time it was given to Prophet Muhammad by the angel Gabriel." However, much like the idea that the Qur’an has been perfectly preserved, the idea that Islam has only one face is completely false. There has always been a psychological crisis in Islam, and if I were to diagnose it as having a particular mental illness, I would probably argue that it suffers from Multiple Personality Disorder. Islam has never been able to decide whether it wants to live in peace with unbelievers, or to pile their severed, unbelieving heads into a giant pyramid. I’m sure many would disagree here, but they would be disagreeing with one of the most empirically verifiable facts in the universe. Think about it. One Muslim beheads an innocent woman to protest the war in Iraq, while another Muslim curses him for slaying the innocent. One group of Muslims flies an aircraft into a building, while another group condemns the attack. One Muslim detonates a bomb on a bus filled with passengers, while another Muslim says on the evening news, "Islam is a religion of peace." Each side quotes the Qur’an to support its actions. However, it may be even more important to note that each of them is following the example set by Muhammad. The reason that Islam suffers from Multiple Personality Disorder is that its founder also suffered from this disorder. I don’t mean this to be taken literally, of course. It is only meant to describe a peculiar phenomenon that went on in Muhammad’s head. When Muhammad first began receiving his "revelations," many of his neighbors in the city of Mecca took it upon themselves to mock and persecute him. During this period, Muhammad was humble, devout in many ways, obedient to the message handed down to him, faithful in giving to the poor, and, in general, a fine moral example. In essence, he was like the many fine examples of dedicated Muslims we see in the world today. He preached a religion of peace, and the hadiths we have from this period reflect his peaceful temperament. Then something happened. Muhammad fled Mecca and moved to Medina, where his political power rapidly increased. Soon he and his followers began raiding caravans to support the fledgling religion and, while Muhammad’s enemies multiplied, so did his followers. What followed can only be described as a reign of terror for those who refused to submit to Islam. Both men and women were slaughtered for writing satirical poems against Muhammad, and those who left the Islamic faith were exterminated. In conversations about Islam, a Muslim may argue that, according to the Qur’an, "There is no compulsion in religion" (2:256). A critic may reply with a very different passage: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection (9:29). To this the Muslim replies, "Yes, it says to fight those who do not believe, but it is referring to unbelievers who attack Islam." Thus, according to many Muslims, Islam fights, but only in self-defense. So who’s right? The solution to the debate can be found in a historical examination of Islam. It is true that Muslims are only permitted to attack when threatened, but history shows what the early Muslims considered a threat. Anything other than complete submission to Islam was regarded as a threat to Islam, and so anything other than complete submission was met with extreme hostility. Even poetry and song lyrics, when used against Muhammad, were enough to warrant a sentence of death. When Muslims are in the minority (as they are in America) the message is always "Let us live in peace with one another, for Islam is a religion of tolerance and understanding." Then, once Islam has spread throughout the country, the message suddenly changes to "Anyone who stands against the Prophet is worthy of death!" Oddly enough, this tactic has been remarkably successful for Islam. Despite more than a thousand years of bloodshed, many people are convinced that Muhammad was a gentle, humble man who never harmed anyone, and that Islam teaches its followers to be at peace with everyone who hasn’t declared war on them. Then, when someone like Osama bin Laden organizes a group of Muslims in an attack against thousands of innocent people, everyone says that he must be insane, and people around the world rush to defend Islam. The result is simply amazing. Muslims commit acts of terror in Russia, Spain, America, England, Israel, and countless other countries around the world, and it actually causes certain people to support Islam even more! Think about it. A Muslim blows up a bus, but people don’t want other Muslims to be persecuted for it, so they start defending Islam. Legislators are among the most active in this regard. Laws threatening free speech about Islam are popping up everywhere declaring that statements against Islam will not be tolerated. Indeed, Australia is on the verge of sending pastors to prison for quoting passages of the Qur’an! Terrorist attacks in London, strangely enough, will help Islam grow even stronger. There will be a brief period of outrage against Islam, but once the smoke has cleared (both literally and figuratively), the world will once again rush to defend Islam, and more bills will be passed, "protecting" Muslims from those who would speak out against Muhammad’s "religion of peace." No matter how violent Islam becomes, as long as people fail to recognize that its two faces are part of the same head (and that both faces are calmly smiling as new laws make Islam untouchable), Muhammad’s empire of faith will thrive in a world of false tolerance. I’m very happy that most Muslims are willing to live in peace with their neighbors. Yet we have to be honest here. Benevolent Muslims aren’t peaceful because they are following the example set by Muhammad. They are peaceful because they’ve chosen to do what’s right, and because they are willing to live far better lives than Muhammad himself lived. In fact, many Muslims are such kind, peaceful, and gentle people that they seem to be following the example set by another great religious leader—one who died on the cross for the sins of the world and rose from the dead to prove his message. This man gave his listeners a sober warning: "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them" (Matthew 7:15). And, may I add, we should also watch out for false religions, which come to us crying "Peace! Peace!" when they are built on a foundation of murder and bloodshed.
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2006-08-16 14:59:22
Rory:
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Not only is "Izlamofashism" a racist term but both Bush, Blair and their respective administrations are now overtly using the racist weapon for their own political gain.
Up until now, Blair has been careful not to sound overtly racist. His racist scape-goating of Islam for all the troubles of the world, though no different in effect to the way Adolf Hitler scape-goated all Jews, has been to use guilt by association. The Mainstream Media in both the USA and the UK were in on this from the start and are themselves complicit in this ugly Muslim-baiting. They were also willing participants in the war crimes committed by Blair and Bush in Irak and now Lebanon. None of these war-criminals have been prosecuted. Is Blair now to get away with his calculated racism against our Muslim community? I sincerely hope not. The Muslim community is not short of some brilliant lawyers. It is my hope that all those individuals and organizations recently snubbed by Blair's ministers now look seriously at bringing a prosecution against Blair for the reckless racism that he and his ministers are now using. He must not be allowed to get away with. To do so would be to 'encourager les autres', especially the likes of Cameron, Blair MkII.
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2006-08-16 16:32:31
Mabrook Ya Hizbullah !:
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I usually do not care very much about what President Bush says neither do I admire (to quote George Galloway) Washington’s current standards of intellect, integrity, honesty and truthfulness.
Many loose terms float around internet blogs, chat-rooms and delusional and fantasist web-sites run by Muslim-hating perverts and racists ---and that includes the Dyslexic President Bush, his lap-dog Tony Blair, the Paedophile "Dr " John Reid the current Home Secretary, Condi Rice the confused idiot who went with Jack Straw to see the Liverpool Slave Route. I heard the words "Islamo-Fascist" many times. So why bother if a retard like President Bush is using it? The reason is simple. Hizbullah have beaten Israel fair and square. They allowed the Israeli Goliath to boast and chase them into Lebanon. All this time Hizbullah were scoring direct hits on the Zionazi murderers. Hizbullah have destroyed not just the Israeli war machine but also humiliated the propaganda machine of Israeli prostitutes in BBC, CNN, Sky News etc which kept warning the world about "expansion in Israeli operations” (LOL! ) whilst Hizbullah was sending Jews into Jehannum every day by the hundreds. Amen. All that Israeli cowards could kill in return were innocent civilians. And then give retarded explanations (much like President Bush himself) about why they committed massacres like Qana. I will take this opportunity to congratulate all my Muslim brothers and sisters in Hizbullah's victory. I will also congratulate Iran and Syria for helping Hizbullah in this victory. I will also urge the Presidents of Pakistan and Turkey, the puppet Karzai of Afghanistan, the scared adulterer Maliki of Iraq, the murderous clown of Libya (Gaddaffi), the tyrannical "Kings" of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Morocco, and Brunei, the tin pot stooges of Kuwait, Oman and Dubai and all the other CIA- and MI-6 installed Stalinist corrupt dictatorial moles who rule the Muslim world to take their mouths and noses out of President Bush's back-side and to congratulate Hizbullah like Muslims of a free world. Amen.
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2006-08-16 16:43:55
Brad Brzezinski:
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The article stank of Counterpunch and sure enough ......
Anyway, I do not see why use of the term "Islamic Fascism" means there is an attempt to link Islam with Fascism. During the Gaza pullout when a Jew murdered Palestinians on a bus, Ariel Sharon said there was no tolerance for "Jewish Terror." Every identifiable group has dangerous malcontents. Refusing to name them is the problem.
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2006-08-16 16:54:20
mohsin:
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Typical nature of the "KAFFUR". All these new termnologies, is simply a decoy. These "KAFFURS" if they have the "WILL" they would : 1.Destroy our Mosques. 2.Destroy everything about Islam. Thats the ultimate AGENDA, they are utilising different strategies to bring about this so- called moderate change. "Read the book : called 33 WAR strategies" by Robert greene, it will show how Nations, have conquered each other, how systems have been defeated etc. From that reading, it will give you a real insight into what is happening today. A significant insight. And all these New termnologies, fit the picture. Its a DECOY !!!! If we do the Analysis, and look at the scenarios, of the WARS that Islam was involved during the times of the Prophet Muhummad (saw), the characterisitcs the KAFFURS of today, and the Charactersistcs o the "KAFFURS" 1400 years ago, is EXACTLY the SAME. The Nature of a ANIMAL, has never changed, equally the Nature of a KAFFUR has and will never change. Look at the "PATHETHIC" state of TURKEY. What has that NATION not done to SERVE the EUROPEAN MASTERS ? . It has almost ABANDONED everything, and YET, the membership of TURKEY in the EUROPEAN UNION is on TRIAL BASIS. The problem is not the current secular regime, the problem is that despite "TURKEY" has become a very secular NATION, and does everything as told, the problem is that Islam is still the way of LIFE,in that Nation. its "ISLAM" they cant get rid of. ISLAM will always be an "ALIEN" way of life to the "KAFFUR" , it will always be a threat to their existence. 1400 Years ago, the "KAFFURS" , always seen ISLAM as a Dangerous relgion. The non muslims of ARABIA always felt threatened from this relgion. 1400 onwards, and today, we are dealing with the EXACT -duplicate ATTITUDES, exact fears etc from the Kaffurs. Islam will never CHANGE, its the word of ALLAH, to protect the QURAN. We are believers, if anyone has to change, its the non-believers, the burden of learning about Islam is on their shoulders, its their responsibilities to overcome there own FEARS !!
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2006-08-16 17:17:44
wendy mann:
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maybe the terms christo-fascist, zio-nazi (another term that ive come across is 'israhell') should become the currency of choice when confronting the extremists of the neo nazi neo conservative spokespeople that are willing to use islamo - whatever in their rants.
the current problem with muslims that debate against those that use the langauge of hate is that they try to remain above the abuse. the great mistake is that if a neo conservative states within a soundbite a number of times islamo-fascist and other similar terms the seeds of that abuse have been planted. we know the truth, but not understanding the dirty nature of the debate will lead to muslims being framed without any recourse to a right of reply. why use islamo-fascist, well its all to enable the use of war in iran, and syria .. it provides the mindset for a limited nuclear strike , because certainly the logic would claim thats what we would have done to the nazis and we had to commit to the japanese. this languages does not just appear into the mainstream as if by magic, it has a purpose and one should be aware of it.
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2006-08-16 18:42:00
bob:
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Sonia nobody should even attempt to challenge what you have said because its totally true.
Best post ive read on this site.
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2006-08-16 22:52:19
Taz:
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After Israhell lost the war, Bush the Bafoon gave a speech, where he finally came clean and told the world the truth about the so called 'War on Trerr' that it is in fact a WAR ON ISLAM.
It never ceases to amaze me, Bush's Jewish/Zionist speech writers have coined yet another racist phrase to denegrate Islam -'islamicfascism'. Before Israhell's war on Lebanon and the Bafoon's speech, i considered myself to be a moderate Muslim. I have decided to take a more fundamental approach to the teachings of Islam - in fact, i want to be become a fundamentalist and make Islam my way of life. Now that we are resorting to derogatory terminolgy to describe certain people (Bush and his Zionist cohorts), i note that the word ASHKANAZI contains the the word 'NAZI' . How appropriate, as the ASHKANAZI, being a majority Jewish sect in the world and in the Zionist State, preside over every aspect of that vile country in its criminal activities.
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2006-08-17 00:09:35
R Davies:
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Taz,
Your comflation of Ashkenazi and Nazi merely illustrates your profound ignorance in all senses. Ashkenazi is simply the old Hebrew word for German in reference to people that speak a Germanic language. It does not refer to the citizens of any current German speaking state (Germany, Austria & Switzerland). Askenazi became the appellation for Jews that lived in Northern and Central Europe, and adopted particular speech patterns to their Hebrew (Shabbes / Shabbat)* and some slight variants in literugy. It is notable that anti-Zionist Jews are almost exclusively Ashkenazi in origin. Also that the primary Jewish victims of Nazi terror and genocide were almost exclusively Ashkenazi. * The Zionists postively adopted Sephardi / Mizrachi pronunciation of Hebrew as political decision in the late 19th century. NAZI on the other hand is an abbreviated form of Nazional-Sozialist-Deutsches-Arbeiter-Partei, also abbreviated to NSDAP. This political party arose in post-WW1 Germany and adopted a political agenda in which non-ethnic Germans were assigned a subordinate role within a racial hierarchy in which Jews and Gypsies occupied the lowest positions. To conflate the term Ashkenazi and Nazi is offensive to the very group Jews whom actively support the Palestinians and were the primary victims of Nazi terror. I fail to understand why on earth you would want to offend these people, unless you are misojudaic (anti-semitic) by nature or just plain ignorant.
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2006-08-17 07:47:16
Basil:
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"We spread disproportionate terror and confusion in the public mind, arbitrarily linking the unrelated problems of terrorism and Iraq. The result, and perhaps the motive, is to justify a vast misallocation of shrinking public wealth to the military and to weaken the safeguards that protect American citizens from the heavy hand of government." Quote from the resignation letter of U.S. Ambassador John Brady Keisling, Feb. 27, 2003.
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2006-08-17 09:59:15
akmal:
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Sonia, If you just remember every action has a reaction it may help you to you understand what you mean
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2006-08-17 10:41:37
ROB:
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vow sonia muslims suffer from mental illness like their prophet muhammed and therfore they are all prone to suffer from this illness.
lets clarify some points here muslims bomb russia, by the way did you know russia has invaded and occupied chechnya and killed 30 per cent of its people,did you chechnya wa slevelled before the world children were blown to bits or starved to death, did you know women are gnag raped so that they will bear russian ofspring, did you know chechen men are routinely abducted nad tortured sadistically to death. sonia do you know the great russian christians have carried out gencoide agaisnt the chechens twice since world war two, stalin killed 50 per cent of the chechens and exiled them to siberia, did you know for the last 15 years checnya has been turned into a large concentration camp by those god fearing christians who have killed 40 thouand chechen children, for your information chechens have not killed russians in cold blood but it was the russian security services who did not want peace, they are the ones who attacked the school instead of negotiating. the prime minister of spain knew why his country was attacked and that was because his government had attacked and invaded iraq where the armies of the righteous chrstians are running torture centres and raping and sodimising inmates, they kill any one who comes near them, they go around looking for women to rape and satify their animalistic desires and if someone tries to stop them they kill them,england a nation which ahs attcked and invaded iraq on 3 occasions when the iraqis have never atatcked england, english christian soldeirs love torturing and killing iraqis no less then their christain brothers the americans, maybe you think the 140 thousand dead iraqi children-women and men do not count as humans, for every day in iraq is a 7/7 yet in england we do not have evidence who carried out 7/7 the governemnt refuses a public inquiry which is demanded by the public and the victims. you showed your true colours sonia by mentioning israel,so the jews have the right to rob peoples homes and lands and force them out of homes that they have resided in for thousands of years, if they resist they have the right to kill them torture them-they have the right to rape and sodomise, they have they right demlish their homes, the jews have the right to make palestinians live in large concentration camps whose exits are controled by israelis ,whose water electricty and food is controlled by the jews,they cannot defend their homes and land they cannot defend them selves, but israeli jews can do what ever they want, so if tommorow someone was to steal your home and belongings and kicked the whole of your family out of england it would be ok with you. america has supported israel in killing and oppresing palestinains for the last 50 years, american christains have attacked iraq and blew to smithereens 600,000 children-women and men,if that was not enough then it starved 1.5 million to death by putting sanctions on the iarqi people, but i suppose we cannot let that get in our way after all the iraqis are muslims therefore they are mental and killing them does not effect us,sonia hilter would be proud of you. to this day it has not been proven beyond doubt that september 11 was carried out by muslims, but day by day proof is coming from american investaigators that what we are told occured is not possible, everday brings more doubts and nearly 47 per cent of americans now belive that september 11 was a inside job.
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2006-08-17 12:03:37
ROB:
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we are told 3000 people died on september 11, yet we are not told that america has carried out september 11th 40 times in iraq and 15 times in afghanistan but we cannot bother with that since it is ok for christinas to carry out genocide and mass murder, it is ok for christians to rape and sodomise to steal and enslave, is this what jesus taught some how i do not hink so jesus said when someone slaps you on one cheek give him the other, yet christians are the biggest sufferers of mental ilness that instead of following what jesus said they ago around robbing and murdering people around the world.
sonia look at your own faith first, who killed six million jews-Christains. who killed-raped-sodomised-tortured and carried out genocide and enslavement of hundreds of millions of africans and native americans--Christians. who killed more than 120 million of their own people in two world wars in the most evil and barbaric methods--Christians. if you want to compare muslims to christians then the christians will win hands down as they are the modern worlds biggest mass murderers and theives. for every crime you try to put at the door step of muslims, you will get 100 at the christain door step and people living in glass houses should not throw stones and christians have a lot of glass houses.
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2006-08-17 12:17:38
H. Khan:
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RE: SONIA
Thank you Sonia, for such a long piece of laborious writing. It must have taken sometime for you to write. You have certainly identified a psychological problem perceived by yourself of Islam and Muslims in general. I hope you are not going to charge any money for your inadequate diagnosis. In my humble opinion I think you need more training in the psychological department before you start identifying problems. Thank you again for your time.
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2006-08-17 13:34:44
JOHN:
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MY GOD! WHO EDUCATED BUSH?. POOR GUY GETS EVERTHING MUDDLED UP ON NATIONAL TV, AND THATS REPEADELY. (LOLOLOLOLOLOL)
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2006-08-17 14:44:39
Mujahid:
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I would like to salute Nassrallah for leading the party of god to victory,,, and all other mujahidins like those in Iraq Afghanistan as well as those before i.e. Salahuddin, Khalid ibn waliid, Ali (RA)amongs others and todays high profile leaders,mujahids and scholars. Allah says in the holy quran in the beautiful surah al-anfáál:
39. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do. 40. If they refuse, be sure that Allah is your Protector - the best to protect and the best to help. 60. Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly. 61. But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah. for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). but this is what the enemies of islam fear most i.e the true guide from allah. but this fear they will die and are then put in the grave where there will be a much greater fear and yet the day of judgement awaits them.
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2006-08-18 01:02:37
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Sonia,
As you know, there is no compulsion in religion. If you have left Islam that is your choice. But you are ill informed. There are not only two Islams if you would look at it like that. Before the last days there will be 71 sects of jews, 72 of christians and 73 Islamic sects, all claiming to be the correct way, but only one will be correct. May you increase in your ignorance, for anyone who attacks the character of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is doomed to failure. You have simply moved from light into darkness. You really must be blind or uneducated. Can't you see what is in front of your eyes: Signs of the last days as transmitted by the Messenger Of Allah (SAW): Leadership of the ignorant (bush, blair and co.) The desert arabs competing with each other to build higher buildings (do you know where the next tallest building will be) * women will be clothed but naked * Trusts will be embezzled, * Interest will be consumed, * Speaking lies will be common, * Life will become cheap, * Tall buildings will be erected, * People will die suddenly, * Swindlers will be trusted, * The trustworthy will be belied, * The lier will be given credibility, * Children would disobey their parents, * Men would start imitating women, * Women would start imitating men, * Children will be born prematurely, My advice, repent, before it's time to Burn-baby-burn!!!
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2006-08-19 11:10:00
Basil:
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REQUEST FROM FAIRMINDED PEOPLE
It is evident that this web site rooms are littered with opinions. What we are more interested in dealing with is citations of facts. When you have an opinion do not waste much of your time with rhetoric’s. GET the FACTS to support it. FACTS! Armed with an artillery of facts we ALL can demolish the prisons of lies and misconceptions and set all fairminded peolpe free. SEEK! The evidence and post it on MPAC for all to see and arm themselves against hypocrisy, misconception and damned right lies. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCS. . . SPEND IT WISELY BEWARE!Sonia and her lot will want to bog you down in trivia taking you away from the core subject in question, which is; THE CAUSE! HOW DO WE COMBAT THE DEMONISATION OF ISLAM AND THE DEHUMANISATION OF MUSLIMS? FOCUS! On the issue in hand and the battle ahead. LEARN! How to mobilise and engage against the forces (media, politicians an lobbyist) that want to condemn YOU and ISLAM to oblivion. BEGIN! Use MAPC as the vehicle to ALERT and call to ACTION against the co-conspirators of Islam. May you tread on the path of truth and fairness!
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2006-08-22 12:13:39
Basil:
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Sonia and your lot
Find Islam on the List please! Most lethal battles in world history From Wikipedia The following is a list of the most lethal battles in world history. This list will include both sieges (not technically battles but usually yield similar combat) and civilian deaths during the battles. Battle or Siege Conflict Estimated number of total dead Battle of Stalingrad World War II Around 1,700,000 to 2,000,000 killed Siege of Leningrad World War II Around 1,100,000 killed Battle of the Somme World War I 300,000+ killed Battle of Verdun World War I 250,000+ killed Brusilov Offensive World War I 250,000+ killed Warsaw Uprising World War II 250,000+ killed Battle of Berlin World War II 230,000+ killed Battle of Moscow World War II 200,000+ killed Battle of Shanghai Second Sino-Japanese War 200,000+ killed Battle of Kursk World War II 200,000+ killed Battle of Passchendaele World War I 190,000 killed Battle of Okinawa World War II 125,000 killed Siege of Tenochtitlan Spanish conquest of Mexico 120,000 killed First Battle of the Marne World War I 100,000 killed Siege of Smyrna May 15, 1919 to Sep. 9, 1922 100,000 killed Battle of Cambrai World War I 100,000 killed Third Battle of Nanking Taiping Rebellion 100,000 killed Battle of Cannae Second Punic War 66,000 killed Meuse-Argonne Offensive World War I 54,000 killed Second Siege of Saragossa Peninsular War 50,000+ killed Battle of Las Navas de Tolosa Reconquest 50,000+ killed Third Battle of Kharkov World War II 50,000 killed Battle of "The Saw" Mercenary War 45,000+ killed Siege of Jerusalem First Crusade 40,000+ killed Battle of Berezina Napoleonic Wars 40,000 killed Battle of Ebro Spanish Civil War 36,000 killed Battle of Hattin Crusades 30,000+ killed Battle of Iwo Jima World War II 27,000 killed Battle of the Bulge World War II 26,000 killed Battle of Teutoburg Forest Roman Wars in Germania 20,000 - 25,000+ killed Battle of Borodino Napoleonic Wars 15,000 - 20,000+ killed
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2006-08-22 15:56:07
Basil:
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Sonia the evangelist
You are funny i give you that much But keep posting cos we are reading! PS Since you have been given freedom of speech on an Islamic website unheard of precedence then please feel free to answer the following: 1. what religion are you and do you practise it? 2. What is your ethnic heritage? It is only fair that I ask because we do not want to get the wrong assumptions about you, if you get my drift
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2006-08-22 16:17:30
Raja:
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Well Said Basil.
I do Dua that there are a million of your type in this world, who speak up for the Ummah. Keep up the good work.
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2006-08-23 11:15:06
Basil:
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R Davies
Please accept my humblest apology on behalf of all of us if any fairminded Jew is offended by the provarication of any person on this site who may have spoke out of error. Ashkanzi’s however IF Zionist are no different from Nazi’s A suicide bomber claims to be a Muslim, and yet he should not expect Islam to negate his guilt due to his criminal act. Islam will label him as a terrorist as in the 7/11 catastrohy. An Ashkanazi if claims to be Zioinist, to me that is like a Muslim announcing himself as a terroist. And no quarter will be given. Ashkanzi’s, Jews, Hebrews, Muslims, Christians, Atheists the World are the victims of the family of Neocon, Racist, Zionists, and Terrorists. Davies you are right to defend the fairminded people and the innocent. I personally know Ashkanazies who are as honourable as any persons I met. But a word of caution R Davies you are adviced to view the following web site The Sheeple Analyst: Zionism VS. the Jews http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/sheeple_analyst/Zionism_vs_Jews.htm Good luck hope your thoughts don’t gey shattered
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2006-08-27 19:23:40
Basil:
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Earth calling Sonia come in Sonia!
Need you to answer my questions
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2006-08-27 21:38:19
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