I'm adopting a wait-and-see attitude. There was a big hoo-haa around the Forest Gate arrests and look what happened there.

Wether thus is a genuine plot that has been foiled, or if it's just another scare, the government have sown the seeds for terrorists with their bloody foreign policy, and now they must reap the consequences.

I blame our bloody foreign policy!! Yes, the British people have a common ground against terrorism and that includes Israels state sponsered state terrorism.

Another distraction, another theatrical saga to turn public opinon.

Every time the Governments position looks intenuable. They pull a plot out of the hat.

And let us not forget that public perception of Zionism is at an all time low.

What a brilliant gift. Now Britian is battling international terrorists , or home grown ones

and the Zionists are in the front line against them.

Well it may be a brilliant theatrical stage, if we hadn't seen it time and time and time

again before. The plot to blow up Manchester United, the Ricin Plot, the plot to kill daffy the duck

or whatever other stupid plot they can come up with.

And the most stupid thing about this whole theatrical game is that we are asked to believe that

these 'terrorists' are so unimaginative that in order to hurt Britian they must hit civilians on a

train or on a plane. Not one of these terrorists has ever studied the history of warfare. Not one of

these terrorists follow the most effective action of sparing civilians and hitting military

or infrastructure. Instead these so called terrorists go for the MOST high profile targets. The targets

that would cause the most amount of outrage by the public. In EVERY SINGLE CASE

Who are you kidding Mossad and MI5?

TANKS AT HEATHROW come to mind...a number 10 TERROR PR STUNT written all over it. blair has known about the plot for some weeks ans still went on his holls so obviously he doesnt think that the threat is very great and isnt rushing back ...okay they followed them and keept an eye on them for 7 months. raided homes and put 21people from london and east midleands in police custody. So the plot was thwarted but that was not good enough, the public need to be scared and so they shut down the airports and sent tv crews there to film it. beem the picture to every TV set in the land. "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act."
~George Orwell

reading the comments here shows that some people are their own worst enemies. I came to this site hoping to see balanced and well argumented points from a Muslim perspective. All I see is comments from the narrow minded and narrow visioned which if aired in a wider forum do the Muslim community further damage.

Adrian: What do you want us to tell you. Something that takes the blame off our sick government?

It's our sick foreign policy, why does the British public have to suffer because of our foreign policy?

Here we go again.

The BBC is meticulously avoiding the use the of the words 'Muslim' or 'Islamic'.

Meanwhile the Muslims on these site seem to be saying:

1. It's all a put up job by the security services (working for the Zionists)

2. There is a real plot, but it is the Zionists who are behind it

3. It is a real plot and Muslims are behind it, but who can be surprised, given British foreign policy?

When is the Muslim community in this country going to grow up and wake up, see the problem in its midst, appreciate the incredible sensitivity of broadcasters like the BBC and stop blaming Israel / the Jews for everything?

I dont beleive in coincidences, on wednesday, john reid made a statement where he unequivically stated that "Britain is living through its most threatening time since the second world war", whilst confirming that a terrorist attack on the UK was "highly likely", as signalled by the current "severe" warning on official government websites.

He continued to state that there were "known unknown and unknown unknown" terror plots.

source:http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1840481,00.html

For a statement like that to be made, then the events of today, do not bode well with me!

I firmly beleive that we should all remain patient, not jump to conclusions and not get caught up in the media furore which is erupting all around us.

If we are expected to beleive MI5/police intelligence work (surely the greatest oxymoron there has been) after such cack-handed attempts in recent times, then I for one, will lose no sleep tonight!

the only solution is to forbid muslims, their friends, such as Galloway and Livingstone, and the preverts from mever travelling by air again. Better still, send them back to pakistan

The home secretary is hinting at curtailing our "freedoms" even further, and this is all in the cause of the greater good.
Now using the the same blueprint the US has been successfully employing for many years - a bogus terror threat is created in order to coerce the population into foregoing their freedoms and allowing society to slowly but surely slide into a Police State.

Freedom and liberty is been forcibly taken from us under the guise of black operations, and disguised terror threats. Where will this madness end?

There is either one of two things happening here; this is either a ploy by the government to distract us from the Lebanon issue and counteract the growing crticism in this country of Israel's actions, OR there is a credible threat in which case why are people still being allowed into the airport when one of them could potentially be carrying explosives in their hand luggage?, and do you have to be a rocket scientist to see the connection between our foriegn policy and people wanting to bomb us?

What can I say [?] The British political establishment is well known for its use of propaganda to perpetuate political 'aims'; JEWS are well known for their 'gripe' about losing their motherland [although MOSES was a MAN]; the English are well known for sending a 'rock' from Westminster, to the Jewish Knesset in exchange for one from MOSES and the JEWS; Disraeli is well known for having changed his religion to go to English Parliament; anything is possible. My guess is that having killed a bunch of innocent civilians, the only way out is to claim a terror threat in London. What else can you do ? Tony Blair doesnt want to say 'sorry', as that means he will have to pay compensation; the moslem dead have relatives and friends who wish revenge on those who have killed them; Moses is turning in his grave and the Knesset is still trying to figure out what to make of the English Rock on their doorstep. My advise is to do what Charles Kennedy did, get plastered and forget about it all. Tomorrow is a new day . Miracles do happen !

Ali Maghrebi

AA

Its a decoy, its to Scare the public, its to use this Scare, as a legitmiate context to go into WAR.

Equally, blair will increase his presence for long term by using this as a justification.

Bottomline, it seems, the government wants to become more fully and deeply involved in the Middle East. I think their looking for a Full fledge WAR.

Its all double standards.

If this dastardly plot is about foreign policy, doesn't it seem DISPROPORTIONATE?

Josh:
Freedom and liberty is been forcibly taken from us under the guise of black operations, and disguised terror threats. Where will this madness end?

This is the price we must pay for allowing muslims into the UK .
And if your a muslim josh then you wont have to worry about civil libertys and freedom because islam doesnt give you any of them anyway .

hmmm i cant sign into my hotmail,msn, it could bethat my add has the word islam in it,i have another account which i am having no problem with.The point someone above made,if its such a big threat why oh why are the airports still open they are packed send them home.

Why do some muslims think everything is a conspiracy or has a preset agenda? Maybe, just maybe, there is a real threat? Imagine this plot had come to fruit, the situation for us muslims would be much worse. Why can't these idiots live and let live??

Why do some muslims think everything is a conspiracy or has a preset agenda. Maybe, just maybe, there is a real threat? Imagine this plot had come to fruit, the situation for us muslims would be much worse. Why can't these idiots live and let live??

I agree entirely with what Abdul Rahman says in his post but also think that arif probably has the best idea! Until we all KNOW what has been done, and by whom, specualting is a waste of time.

P.S. added security at airports etc is never a burden if it stops even one potential disaster.

Like Adrian, I visited your web site to see what the muslim response to today's news would be. I have to say that I am dismayed at the head in the sand attitude of many posters on this board.

Everything is blamed at the UK Government's foreign policy, or its siding with the US.

Until you come to terms with the problem elements within your own communities, hostility toward Islam will increase within the UK.

Instead of embracing your host country, you seem to shun and despise all that the UK represents. Instead of integrating with what is a very tolerant society, you build walls around yourselves, from which you trade insults.

We should all be working towards a better understanding, resulting in closer relations. Sadly, it seems that many Muslims work towards the opposite.

"Terror Plot" whatever!! I guess public opinion was low then, so we needed something to reassure the public that bombing and invading and looting Muslims lands is justified!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is all to scare the public into kow towing to every thing blair and cronies tell us.

john reid said we are under the highest level of threat since world war two, either he has a very bad memory or he is dishonest,for 30 years the ira bombed britian and nearly killed its prime minister, in that time around ten thousand people were killed or injured.

with people like john reid having such bad memories or being dishonest what do you expect the normal public to think.

in resposne to jay for there to be peace in the world crazed bloodthirsty extremists like bush and blair should be locked up in the nut house where they belong and may be you too should be given a cell to share with the kind of views you hold.

I'm very glad this attack has been foiled - and so should you muslims.

If it had happened... "islamophobia" (it's not fear by the way - it's disgust) would be take up a few notches. Not pretty. Not pretty at all.

So Dept Homeland Insecurity has said no liquids or gels on a plane but is anyone doing anything about "Snakes on a Plane"!!!!!

It's just a pity that if this was NOT a PR stunt, that citizens can get hurt because of a government policy they don't necessarily support, and may in fact be entirely opposed to, but unable to change. We can say whatever we want, and they simply don't care. The government itself reaps no consequences when citizens get hurt. After all, governments send citizens off to die in Iraq and elsewhere in the first place. It's easy not to care when you've got a private jet and an entourage of bodyguards.

Nothing is an excuse to kill innocent civilians, on whatever side they are: not anyone else doing it, not our frustrations, not our religion! We best defend Islam by LIVING Islam, as best exemplified by Prophet Mohammed SAW. I agree utterly that we are not engaged enough; that we do some actions when calamity hits, but not a constant, positive engagement. If we don't like it here, either we move to somewhere we do like it, or we try to make it better here. Allah SWT will not make it better for us until we change what we can change ourselves. In peace.

The ONLY way th UK & the West will get their country back is to utterly remove all jays, no matter how far related, back to Russia & poland then. Remember what Hitler siad about Jews, the jays "legacy" is alot older.

Events like this convince the wider world that Muslims are unable to run their affairs on their own and that someone else should run their affairs for them.

Regards

i have a simple question for all those who think what is happening has got nothing to do with the policies of this extremist government.

muslims have lived in britian in large numbers for the last 60 to 70 years, they faced racism-prejudice and had to do the dirtiest and hardest jobs but they carried on and folowed the laws of the land and paid their dues like every one else, yet they never used violence in response.

i for one will not believe the governments version of what happened on july 7th until there has been a independent inquiry held by the united nations just like one is being carried out in lebanon after a member of its parliament was killed.

if the U.N can investigate what happened in lebanon then why is it not investigating whay happened in london, a public inquiry held under this government will be a white wash like all the other enquiries.

I hafta say, from what I've been reading I really don't like how you guys shield yourselves from the truth. There was a foiled terrorist plot today. Wether it is as serious as the media tells us, we can not know, but this isn't the kind of thing a government makes up. If this was indeed the work of Al-Qaeda then these are the muslims amongst us that must be stopped. They are the reason peace is never achieved and the reason we will always be labelled the terrorists.

The first question is what liberties must now be sacrificed for this "scare story?. If you read the account given clearly, it does not add up. If they have been tracking these people and this plot for some time (up to a few months they are saying), why have they only decided to search peoples hand luggage today?. The problem the establishment have is the link between Blair, foreign policy and Muslim anger. They have released this today while Blair is on holiday. Out of sight, out of mind. People become scared again, and suddenly Israel's crimes with Blair's backing become excusable.

It took the IRA decades to realise that the only way to achieve thie aims was by dialogue. Bombing the British merely strengthened their resolve and united them against their perceived enemies. The gun and the bomb achieve nothing!!! The only way we will influence our 'infidel' brothers is by talking to them and telling them we do not approve of their foreign policies. We have a manual that teaches and guides us through life it tells us to be patient and that Allah does not give us anything we cannot handle. By reading our manual we can overcome our hurdles and enrich our lives.

seems like some of the posters on Mpac are a bit dissapointed that there has been no explosions. The others as usual see it as another conspiracy. Time to get real and realise that muslim terrorists are hell bent on commiting these acts which would only be bad for the muslim community if they actually managed to do so.

salaam

unfortunately until the muslim community wakes up and smells the decaf its only a matter of time until something like this happens.

After the mess the raids in bradford and forest gate have left beind, I have little faith in the security services.

Whether or not this is a PR stunt or hyped up propaganda, or a actual real threat that was foiled, it is OUR job to set the record straight

until we practice what we preach, until we are each a living symbol of Islam and until we educate ourselves and change our way of life this insanity will continue.

Unfortunately our youth who should be fighting this media battle and should be educated enough to set the record straight are too buzy chilling with there mates in their souped up cars getting high on weed. It is a shameful situation and until WE start taking responsibility we are going to continue to be the doormat of the media.

I for one am sick of being walked over and seeing my community taking the shortcut to hell

Well if you don't like the foreign policy of this country you can quite easily go to a country whose foreign policy you like. Most of you have dual citizenships or can claim it due to ancestry so this should not be a problem.

This should make every one happy not least those of us who are fed up with your constant bickering that the whole nation needs to do what ever you demand of it but you don't do anything that the nations asks such as respect for laws and traditions of this country.

Anti-Muslem car is driving again.After such critisizm over Israeili offensives ,Lodon Plot was crucial to get out of such pressure. You can see that all news agencies are talking about the terrorist plot that has never happened, while Britain has arrested some muslims and on the other side of the atlantic Bush used the word of "fascism islam" for somthing that has never happeded furthermore it's not clear who has drawn such plot. The only missing propaganda for this crisis is to join Hizbullah with this imaginary plot.

Those of you throwing "conspiracy" arguments around. Iraq's WMD was a conspiracy. Because the Government said they existed, it wasn't a conspiracy. You were lied too. You can't go through life accepting everything a Government tells you. What I am clear about is these types of operations are psychological warfare, which will not stop until Iran is attacked, and all your liberties are destroyed. If you look up the Shanghai co-operation agreement, you will see Russia and China are supportive of Iran. What has started out as a fictional "war on terror" against Islam, is going to lead to a potentially lethal World War against the secular big guns in Asia. Explain to your Grandchildren how you stood back and let it happen.

ME AGAIN: What traditions in this Country?. Free speech use to be a tradition in this country, as did the right to protest. All gone. You are going to get the full police state you desire. Blair tells you "they hate our freedom", yet he is the one removing it, despite admitting they cannot stop another attack. The State is suspicious of everybody. Blair is not done yet. This psychological warfare will continue until you find yourself wondering why we are at war with Russia, China. It will be too late to ask why when that happens.

I agree with brother Arif wait and see. when public demand evidence and Mr Blair will not have a leg to stand on. All muslims are requested to relax and do not worry about anything it is only a passing trick by Labour puppets. They will apologies soon. Oh by the way message to our so called Muslim Leaders you keep sleeping. you will not be affected.

a genuine plot?

so how many of the 24 had bought airline tickets to make this an imminent threat?

how realistic is it to think that a liquid bomb would be practical ?

how practical is it to believe that components could be put together so easily ?

it appears to me its more about a national exercise for the government to assess its ability to control and direct a population and increase an illogical fear.

seems about right if it wants to use id cards, tracking people and more wars.

to the jays, josh's, englishmans, billy best's (you all one person perchance) - you seem to revel in the ideas of your own delusional fantasies dont you - poor things. may i suggest you at least think BEFORE you type. yes, the killing (or the attempt to do so) of civilians is abhorent, and peoples of all faiths do abhore this. Though this may be the case, the UK/Amercian governments are currently THE NUMBER ONE KILLERS OF CIVILIANS, and they CONTINUE to do so, in the name of freedom and democracy...so they keep telling the jays, josh's, englishmans, and billy best's of this world. If these supposed governments act so lawlessly then what do you hope to expect of those living within its borders. Lets call it a form of naughty actions and reactions. The UK/American regimes are the one's playing the games - we ALL will be the ones to suffer the consequences.......

As a Muslim I hope the police really have something this time and catch these "psychopathic criminals" and make an example of them by heavy sentencing, should they be convicted. As a patriotic British Muslim, appreciating and praising the good things of our society as well as rectifying the negative things of our society through community and good social work, I hope we can build a better future for our children in Britain. I hope the people of Britain can have a mature debate about these issues without vilifying or stereo typing a whole group of people who seek to fight for a better Britain. May Allah Help us in the struggle for justice and help us combat the evil and harmful things in our society.

I don't like Irans foreign policy regarding Israel, its acquisition of nuclear weapons to intimidate neighbours, its supplying roadside bombs to Iraq, its supplying Iranian National Guard soldiers to Lebanon/Syria.

I don't like Syrias foreign policy towards Israel, its interference in Lebanon, its policy to Iraq whereby foreign Jihadis are allowed free passage into Iraq.

I don't like Saudi Arabias foreign policy whereby terrorists inside SA are arrested but if they go abroad for their terror, thats all right then.

So by Moslem thinking I should now hijack airliners and smash them into Mecca and the Kabah?

When I see the comments on this web I get so angry that for the first time ever I am actively seeking ways of giving financial support to Israel. It is time your dark religion left Britain.

I am a European who is sympathetic to the cause of Israel but not any other poor backward country like Palestine; I couldn't give two monkeys.Infact I hope Bush wins. I have no black, mongoloid or mozlem friends and don't need them. I love watching the fox news as I think it is one of the most acurate news reporting stations and think the BBC and Sky news give to much credit to the foriners.

It's looking as though the police did their homework on this, and thank heavens for it.
Unlike Mohammed Zahid, I cannot see the sense in blaming the police or foreign policy for individuals' choice to commit suicide murder of innocent people. It is immature and inhuman and harms Islam in the eyes of the rest of the world.

Those who support it here are not true Muslims and should be ashamed of themselves

AA
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Some questions that spring to my mind as a British Muslim :

1.CAN the WEST afford to leave the MUSLIMS NATIONS and leave OUR LANDS ?

2.What level of Compromise would one have to GIVE in order for the ABOVE to HAPPEN ?

3. What are the driving forces behind the desire to continously "CONQUER" Muslim LANDS ?

4. What level of actions, would take , from the MUSLIMs themselves, in order to deter the WEST from illegally invading their LANDS ?

5.How much "LOSS" is America willing to experience, before it ABANDONS support for ISRAEL ?

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We the UK do nlie your evil "religion" here or in the West, especially the false flaggers who by their hate filled message give themselves away. We the ACTUAL WHITE West do not like its being taken for a ride worldwide by zionists, we do like your false flag hijacks, we do not like your genocide of the Middle East, we are beyond sick & tired of your whining & pretend victimhood, we will not acceptt israel threatening nuke atacks from day one, we will dsarm ALL the zionists & send them back to E Europe, we might smash (;)) your places of worship like you have smashed Christian & Muslim Holy places in Iraq, Lebanon & PALESTINE -the BIRTHPLACE OF CHRISTIANITY. Then & only then we all will live in peace.

Until recently (December 2005) I used to think that the petrodollar was the product of the USA $ being the reserve currency. I then later found out that it was the product of an agreement between the Suadis/ Kissinger when the USA elite were no longer able to hold the USA economy together & needed credit expansionary steroids to prop up their regime. I was then forced to conclude that an elite that had gotten away with such a manouevre would feel itself so omnipotent, that it would be psychologically capable of executing September 11th itself to provide it with a pretext via `The Long War' to prop up the petrodollar. If you are new to the subject google `Prisonplanet' & `Alex Jones'. Particularly interesting is how a steel framed building like `Building 7', fell down without even being hit by a plane (this is said to be unprecendented in architectural history).

So (given USA desperation to secure their war with Iran) the latest terror alert must be viewed with some caution. Another reason why such may prefer Britain as a staging post for such an enterprise at this time, is that the USA regime is so well marked by the likes of Alex Jones & co (official version becoming increasingly discredited), that to achieve the psycho political escape velocity (through a Grand Strategy of Tension outrage) neccessary to re-secure control of the geo strategic agenda/ populace, leads to chaos. Hence Britain, is a more plausible staging ground, given the July 7 2005 bombings.

Of further interest is the timing. Eg as the UN votes on Lebanon resolution. Eg the psycho political fallout of this incident can provide decisive cover for a UN resolution affording room for USA/ Israel to engineer a pretext (within the `settlement' of the resolution) to drag in Syria, dragging in Iran as the pretext for the Iran war. This may be of interest to countries that don't want to be seen as poodles but don't want to stand up to the USA neo cons either. Now, nobody would much notice their guilt, if guilt there be. Orwell put it best when he stated how it was only human to hold onto the last vestiges of existence rather than die standing your ground.

AA,

It all seems a little too 'convenient' as always...

WS

All you people coming on here defending Israel, I say this to you. With the recruitment levels of British forces falling all the time, you better volunteer yourselves for World War. It is not just about Syria and Iran now. Any strike on Iran will see China and Russia become involved under the Shanghai co-operation agreement. Have you thought of this?. Nuclear war. The psychopathic Christians in the US are already celebrating what they call "end times". A fictional war on terror against Islam, will lead to nuclear war against secular countries. The propaganda and the ability to believe everything you read or watch will ensure this happens.

just another staged event by dictator blair.He seems to think that scaring the british public will enable him to create a policed state,with the introduction of ID cards,or has this false flag event been created with iran in mind.I'm sure blair could cunjour up some connection as an excuse to nuke iran with his lover"BUSH".

I should clarify my last posting when i described britain as a more plausible staging ground. This was a more plausible staging ground for a likely non event. As an actual operation, wether a strategy of tension op or an authentic terror outrage, would at least partially, lead to race war in Britain LONG before it would feed into any support for war against Iran. In fact the costs in blood & treasure of such a race war dynamic have the effect of short circuiting the drive to Iran war certainly in Britain. I cite the BNP's 2002 slogan, `keep Britain out of foreign wars, keep foreign wars out of Britain' as evidence for such a geo cultural psychology.

it is as if the west constantly need to dangle red herrings in front of our eyes and to scare people into believing that muslims are terrorists, for the last few years especially. It's always muslims in the spotlight, 9/11, then 7/7, then al qaeda/hizbollah/hamas. Americans now are catching on and there are many groups in the usa who say that 9/11 was an inside job and they even have proof but the media will take none of it, they have to sell papers and it is as if their only aim is to depict muslims as bad people. But it is amazing how things backfire, for example, post 9/11, the holy Quran became best seller in bookshops in America, and 20,000 americans became muslim within 2 months of 9/11, Subhan Allah. The more people are trying to defame islam, the more it is spreading and these people can do nothing about it.