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Answers. 1. How does someone tell muslims that they are the cause for the deaths of Palestinians without insulting them? How can someone tell muslims they have literally put the bullets into the guns of the zionists to shoot their own brothers and sisters? How many years have we allowed ourselves to get away with murdering or allowing our brothers to be murdered, how do we tell Muslims its our own fault, we are the cause, without hurting their feelings. If there is a way, we would have taken it. How many groups have tip toes around the issue, hoping politely the Muslims would realise their crime, wake up with kisses and polite words...did they ?...have they ? And if we at MPACUK have had enough and speak out then it is because the muslims have no feelings because they do not care. And in fact that is exactly the case. They do not care! Yet they are hurt not because MPACUK has given them a revelation of what is happening in Israel but because they already know and they choose to ignore it and MPACUK has hurt insulted them personally. How has MPACUK done that? By speaking the truth. For once in their lives a Muslim has had the guts to tell them, that they are responsible for the murder of their brothers. Sometimes the truth hurts, but by Allah it must be said. The fact that the muslims feel insulted because they are called 'cave muslims', and 'monkeys' for allowing their brothers to be killed like fly's but are not insulted when their brothers are treated like animals in Cuba, Checnya, Gujarat, and Palestine makes a very disturbing picture of muslims mindset in the world. Think upon this. Muslims are more insulted that we have tried to wake them up by using these words, insulted them to shame them into action, then by their own inaction while their mothers around the world were raped. What does that say about the Ummah? MPACUK believes in deeds not words. When muslims say things like "you should pray your salaat and make dua for your brothers and sisters brother, that is the best way to help them". It makes a mockery of Islam. Because "faith without action is fruitless, and action without faith is rootless". These two things are intertwined. This does not mean however you must do your five times prayer before you can help your neighbours and brothers in Palestine. It means you must do them simultaneously. Jihad is FARD nearly every single scholar in history has agreed this. Those who came to the MPACUK event will have been presented with evidence beyong any reasonable doubt of this. Instead Muslims are more interested in debating and talking then ever doing. Choosing the FARD they will follow rather then that which Allah has commanded.
What if you are in the middle of you Zhur salaat and you are just about to do sajdaa but then the man in front stabs the other man next to him? Do you carry on with your prayers or do you help the man who has been stabbed? Allah says that you should break your salaat and help. This is exactly what is happening when we watch the TV its there right in front of us yet we do nothing. How about our brothers and sisters starving in Africa, Afghanistan, and Iraq? Some of us watch the TV while we sit down with our plate full of food watching the evening news.    Readers have left 24 comments.
Jammy:
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Brilliant article Mpac. There are to many muslims living in their own comfortable little world where they convince themselves that they are following the one and only true Islam, shutting themselves off from the problems and issues of even their neighbours and those living in their community, let alone the ummah and yet ask them what they have ever done for others and they would have to think really hard.
When you come along and try to wake them out of their slumber they are ready to turn on you like a bear with a headache. I also think your quote that "It makes a mockery of Islam. Because "faith without action is fruitless, and action without faith is rootless" could not be further from the truth. I heard a scholar once say that allah MAY forgive the sins we commit against him but even he will not be able to forgive the sins that we committ against his creation. Only the creation will be able to forgive the sins commited against them by others.
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2008-05-26 10:11:30
Riaz Ahmed:
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I have no objection in the way MPACUK deliver their message to the Muslims. Infact, there should be more of it!
We are asleep - and the attack on Islam is right in our face. And yet Muslims feel that MPAC are harsh with their words? Its been too long for certain factions of the Muslims to be "Namby Bamby" in their approach to make excuse's for the Ummah. Its the "Beareded Brigade" and "Fiqh pen pushers", that have pacified the Muslims. Its time for harsh reality to be shown, and that's by using direct and "Non-PC" word. Its a form of motivation.
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2008-05-26 11:11:10
mohammed:
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While it is comendable that you feel the problem of the ummah, by throwing insults at other muslims is not only wrong islamically but also counter poductive. I think every muslim feels the problems you highlight, however, your solution is taking part in elections and voting out the undesirables. Do really think that you will be able to effect the foreign policy of this country, by having muslim friendly politicians? Forget about the non-muslim politicians, look at the voting record of the muslim MP's and you will see that party loyalty is far above the loyalty to the ummah. You need to lobby the political parties for a Labour/conservative/liberal democrats friends of Palestine, instead of blaming muslims.
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2008-05-26 12:14:19
Zahra Jibril:
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Salam.
As I remember, you are NOT allowed to break your salaat even if you are injured. Even a mother cannot leave the prayer to move her child from harms way, she must continue praying with minimum distraction, but still attend to her child while in the prayer. In an emergency, Islam is flexible enough to allow you to shorten your prayer, or combined them together, or even move about in your prayer, but never can you leave your prayer altogether, or walk out on your prayer. Many people do not know that even if your wudu breaks while in prayer, you don’t just walk away, you must do “salam” to your right and left before walking away. Please be ware of attributing things that are not from the Quran and Sunnah to Allah SWT. The worse sin a human being can commit is not ignore Muslim suffering, or be insulted, IT is to insult Allah and make up things to suit your case. P.s. This does not take away from the importance of your message or the need for Muslims to wake up, however please refer to people with Islamic knowledge before publishing justifications, it can have a counter effect and make you look hideous and ignorant. Sister in Islam
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2008-05-26 12:38:29
Khadija:
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Salam. — Zahra JibrilAs I remember, you are NOT allowed to break your salaat even if you are injured. Even a mother cannot leave the prayer to move her child from harms way, she must continue praying with minimum distraction, but still attend to her child while in the prayer. In an emergency, Islam is flexible enough to allow you to shorten your prayer, or combined them together, or even move about in your prayer, but never can you leave your prayer altogether, or walk out on your prayer. Many people do not know that even if your wudu breaks while in prayer, you don’t just walk away, you must do “salam” to your right and left before walking away. Please be ware of attributing things that are not from the Quran and Sunnah to Allah SWT. The worse sin a human being can commit is not ignore Muslim suffering, or be insulted, IT is to insult Allah and make up things to suit your case. P.s. This does not take away from the importance of your message or the need for Muslims to wake up, however please refer to people with Islamic knowledge before publishing justifications, it can have a counter effect and make you look hideous and ignorant. Sister in Islam Zahra you are wrong on this, a mother who sees her child in harms way and continues to pray becomes sinful. Please ensure you do not end up harming children because of your warped understanding of Gods words.
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2008-05-26 15:33:09
Anjum Patel:
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Salam. — Zahra JibrilAs I remember, you are NOT allowed to break your salaat even if you are injured. Even a mother cannot leave the prayer to move her child from harms way, she must continue praying with minimum distraction, but still attend to her child while in the prayer. In an emergency, Islam is flexible enough to allow you to shorten your prayer, or combined them together, or even move about in your prayer, but never can you leave your prayer altogether, or walk out on your prayer. Many people do not know that even if your wudu breaks while in prayer, you don’t just walk away, you must do “salam” to your right and left before walking away. Please be ware of attributing things that are not from the Quran and Sunnah to Allah SWT. The worse sin a human being can commit is not ignore Muslim suffering, or be insulted, IT is to insult Allah and make up things to suit your case. P.s. This does not take away from the importance of your message or the need for Muslims to wake up, however please refer to people with Islamic knowledge before publishing justifications, it can have a counter effect and make you look hideous and ignorant. Sister in Islam Please can you privide the person you think has islamic knowledge? please post exactly what your scholar has done - thankyou
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2008-05-26 15:40:00
Jamil:
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Salam. — Zahra JibrilAs I remember, you are NOT allowed to break your salaat even if you are injured. Even a mother cannot leave the prayer to move her child from harms way, she must continue praying with minimum distraction, but still attend to her child while in the prayer. In an emergency, Islam is flexible enough to allow you to shorten your prayer, or combined them together, or even move about in your prayer, but never can you leave your prayer altogether, or walk out on your prayer. Many people do not know that even if your wudu breaks while in prayer, you don’t just walk away, you must do “salam” to your right and left before walking away. Please be ware of attributing things that are not from the Quran and Sunnah to Allah SWT. The worse sin a human being can commit is not ignore Muslim suffering, or be insulted, IT is to insult Allah and make up things to suit your case. P.s. This does not take away from the importance of your message or the need for Muslims to wake up, however please refer to people with Islamic knowledge before publishing justifications, it can have a counter effect and make you look hideous and ignorant. Sister in Islam Please state which opinion do you follow and which scholar? The general ulama state that 'if you are in a state of activity that someone would think you are not in salaat because you are moving so much for example' then the salaat is not valid and broken. I am afraid you sound like a typical self made scholar asking others to follow a scholar who you obvliously do not follow yourself. My advice to you is - please refer to people with Islamic knowledge before publishing justifications, it can have a counter effect and make you look hideous and ignorant.
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2008-05-26 15:47:54
Zubair:
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It's a difficult one, I see MPACUK's point to an extent...
It is absolutely essential to shake Muslims in the UK out of apathy and get them more active....I do think, however, that MPACUK's message can at times sound like the rant of an 8 year old, which can be off putting. I also think they assume that anyone not in MPACUK is somehow not "awake" nor "active", it's almost as if all Muslims and mosques need the MPACUK seal of approval. I've experienced this 1st hand when one of my comments, which was slightly critical of MPACUK's approach was met with the following rebuttal, probably by an undercover MPACUK member in the comments section. "Well MPACUK are doing something about this, what do you do to ease Muslim suffering Zubair!!!????" I'm not in MPACUK but I do meet regularly with my local MP and press him on issues like Palestine, Iraq and Israel's attrocious human rights record, I've been doing this before I knew MPACUK existed. My local mosque has open days and reaches out to the local non-Muslims to educate them about Islam in an effort to promote greater understanding with the wider community, again this activity has been ongoing since before MPACUK ever existed. Heck, they even organised a march in collaboration with other Mosques in the local area immediately after July 7th to condemn the atrocity so as to highlight to the local non-Muslim community that the acts of July 7th were not connected to Islam, again without MPACUK involvement. The question is, why should people like me or my local Mosque seek MPACUK's seal of approval for activities which we've been doing long before their formation.? I appreciate MPACUK's efforts however they should be aware that sometimes their tactics may alienate those few Muslims who would actually be quite useful for MPACUK i.e. those who are "awake" and "active" already. I am unlikely to join MPACUK because I don't think I will ever fully subscribe to their approach but I do recognise that some of their output has been commendable. I do think though that they can sometimes be their own worst enemy, with their brutish/arrogant approach. Z
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2008-05-26 19:13:33
where's your proof Zahra Jibril:
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See what MPAC means, jeesh, Zahra Jibril, what Islam are you following? Cause it's not the one I'm following.
What was it you said: As I remember, you are NOT allowed to break your salaat even if you are injured. Even a mother cannot leave the prayer to move her child from harms way, she must continue praying with minimum distraction, but still attend to her child while in the prayer.... Your the ignorant one here. Prove it now, from Qur'an and hadith, for reliable scholars and not some groupies who say what they want without reliable source. Please don't say what you don't know. That's how Muslims who just "follow" and NOT THINK get messed up. Blind following the blind. Brillaint article MPAC. Wassalam
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2008-05-26 20:42:20
Zahra Jibril:
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Khadija:
You can TEND to your child while in prayer. BUT you cannot just walk out of prayer. You CAN pick up your child, you can carry them while praying, you can walk to them, while remaining to face the Qibilah and move them from harm, You can make your prayer shorter, BUT you do NOT break your prayer in order to do this. While moving to tend to your child, according to An-Nawawi: "The scholars are in agreement that many actions invalidate the prayer if they are performed consecutively [i.e., one after another]. If one separates the actions, for instance, taking a step and then stopping for a while, then taking another step or two, and then another two steps, after a pause (though a short one) between them, then the salah will not be harmed, even if he in this manner should take a hundred or more steps. “The Prophet (PBUH) came out towards us, while carrying Umamah, the daughter of Abi Al-As (his grand-daughter) over his shoulder. He prayed, and when he wanted to bow, he put her down, and when he stood up, he lifted her up.” [Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 25: Narrated Abu Qatada] A similar Hadith also narrated by by Ahmad, an-Nasa'i, and al-Hakim] And if you fear (an enemy), perform Salât (pray) on foot or riding. And when you are in safety, offer the Salât (prayer) in the manner He has taught you, which you knew not (before). Qur'an Al-Baqarah 2:239 Khadija, Again even when in danger you continue to prayer, differently YES. Now I understand your emotion and concern, however the advise in Islam that I have come across advises that if a mother has a child or more, and if no older children or adults are available to monitor her small children, she should safely and comfortably confine the children so that they cannot wander into danger or cross her sutrah or if all else fail keep them safely in her grasp. IF you have the evidence for leaving your prayer then please do share and I will gladly change my opinion. There is no point argue about Islam, since it is not based on opinion or our common sense, but facts. Breaking your prayer is not something which is done lightly, When Umar bin Khattab was injuried (the wound that killed him) He finished his prayer and the history of Islam is full of such examples. Islam offers flexibility and comfort; but mocking prayer and belittling it by implying that we should walk out of our prayer like it does in this article is not correct, which is my original objection. We do not talk or occupy ourself with this dunya while in prayer or watch TV and the news! We cannot talk in Salaat, let alone watch TV or news! Allah says: 'And stand before Allah in devout obedience' and we were then commanded to observe silence during the salah.” And the Hadith: Abu ad-Darda' narrates from the Prophet: "O people, be careful about turning for there is no salah for the one who turns. If you must do it, do it in the voluntary prayers and not in the obligatory prayers." [related by Ahmad AND at-Tirmidhi- Sahihi] As I am aware, It is the Shi’ia teachings ( According to: Ayatullah Seestani Contemporary Rulings in Shi’I Laws) which allows you to break your prayer if you must do so, when in danger, or have to pay a creditor. Anjum Patel: I’m sorry to disappoint you, but I don’t fall into the trap of following a particular scholar like he is a prophet. When I referred MPAC to people with knowledge, I was actually referring to the many intelligent and Islamicly educated members in MPAC, who can write Islamicly orientated articles, rather a Shike I follow. Thank you.
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2008-05-26 22:55:04
Zahra Jibril:
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Anjum Patel:
I’m sorry to disappoint you, but I don’t fall into the trap of following a particular scholar like he is a prophet. When I referred MPAC to people with knowledge, I was actually referring to the many intelligent and Islamicly educated members in MPAC, who can write Islamicly orientated articles, rather a Shike I follow. Thank you. Jamil: I follow the Quran and Sunnah, Please read what I wrote above to sister Khadjia to clear up any misunderstandings form my early post, if you still questioning, then same goes for you, show me evidence which says otherwise or the evidence where Allah says as claimed by this article; that you should break your Salah and help someone, even if they are stabbed?. Did the Shabbah not fight in war, while the second row was in prayer, did the row in prayer stop in mid prayer to help the ones who were injured or even killed?? I’ve searched and I do not find such instances. IF you have, then again please share, because I would be happy to see it. Thanks for the advise, I appreciate it. :) As for who I follow, see my response above to Anjum. For the person Who wrote “Where is your Proof Zahra” I hope you can chew on what I posted above and maybe it will tell you if I follow Islam. W/ Salamah Zahra Jibirl
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2008-05-26 22:55:40
Zahra Jibril:
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Oh and the article talks about choosing the FARD rather than just following. The FARD is your prayer.
The Prophet, saw, said;'Between a man and disbelief is (only) the abandonment of salaah.' [Muslim] 'The first thing for which the servant (of Allaah) shall be called to account for (on the Day of Reckoning), is the salaah. If it was good, then the rest of his deeds are good and if it was bad, then the rest of his deeds are bad.' [At-Tabaraanee] Allaah, swt, said: "Then there has succeeded them a posterity who have given up prayers and have followed lusts. So they will be thrown in Hell." [Maryam:59] Also: "Every person is a pledge for what he has earned. Except those on the Right; (i.e. the pious true believers). In Gardens, they will ask one another concerning the guilty, 'What has caused you to enter Hell?' They will say, 'We were not of those who used to pray ..." [Al-Muddathir: 38-43] So to all those who abandon the prescribed Prayers, we ask: what will be your position on that terrible day when Allaah will resurrect you? On the Day of Judgement the Prophet, saw, will indeed turn you away from his Hawd, (the Pond), where the true believers will be gathered with him, all because you have abandoned the salaah! Is this the condition you wish to be in? “And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, of all of these you are responsible.” (Qur’an, 17:36) Inshallah we are all forgiven for our short comings. There are many other things you can cut out to make time to speak up or fight for Palestine. All that wasted time on Films, TV, and chatting can be utilized. THIS MPAC can emphasis rather than trying to take away from the one thing THAT distinguishes between the Muslim and the kaafir [according to the majority of scholars]. Lastly I just found: On the Day of Judgement, man will remember that he abandoned salaah, yet he will cry to return to the world so that he could Pray. But there will be no return. Now he must stand before Allaah. Now he will realise that: "None punishes as He will punish on that Day." [Al-Fajr: 25]
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2008-05-26 23:19:21
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In hanafi fiqh Amal-e-Katheer will invalidate Salah.
Aml-e-katheer takes place when both hands are being used for an action not inclusive in salah at once, for example, if one adjusts his topi using both hands at the same time, or if one hand is used three or more times in a rukn (posture) of salah. Therefore, if one holds a child in salah, aml-e-katheer is likely to occur (for example, if one puts the child down or picks him up while in salah with both hands), and that would invalidate the salah.
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2008-05-27 00:56:34
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I'm with Zahra on this one.
mpac need to broaden their horizons and have a wider view, than the narrow one expressed in this article. Do it the Islamic way or don't bother, cos there is no reward in the alternate, other than satisfying ones own ego. Quran and Sunnah ONLY please. Well said Zahra!
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2008-05-27 05:19:39
Islam, Yes. Vruelty,No.:
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Not break salaat to tend to a child in danger?
So, you think Allah is not Ar-Rahmaan and Ar-Raheem? Is he not Al-Ghaffar? Allah forgives everything except shirq. Don't you know that? You don't? Then, you are no Muslim. If you don't reject all Hadith that forbids compassion, then you are just some Khilafaa-ist facist! I thought this was the MuslimPACUK. Not the Khilafaa-istPACUK (which would an oxymoron anyway)!
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2008-05-27 08:58:19
Kiwi:
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I cannot actually believe the minutae of what I am reading in the comments about what should be done when one is at prayer and accompanied by a child. What if they are choking or behind you and putting their finger in a socket? The prophetPBUH lived in an era where there was no electricity, traffic etc. and you are still following tenets fom that age. This is 2008 - without the ability to think or move independantly when immediate danger rears it's head your child might die. It only takes one second! If you have to remain facing the Quibla whilst trying to rescue a little one that is behind you from harm , if indeed you see the problem, you are probably highly disadvantaged. I know what my priority would be.
Where is the humanity or rational thought? Quibbling about the "only right " way to pray - is this what takes precedence over a child's safety in Islamic thinking? Goes against all normal female instincts
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2008-05-27 10:27:47
Zahra Jibril:
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Kiwi
And what do you know, Islam is based on female instincts. Ooops no one told me. It does not matter if it is 2008 or 14th Century. Islam is timeless. Read again the flexibility that Allah allows you in my post above, it answers your questions. Don't skim it and then expect me to repeat the same info AGAIN. :) TO: The person who has declared me as non Muslim. Yes allah is Ar-Rahmaan and Ar-Raheem and Al-Ghaffar, and he has given you mind and brain to reason, but I stop at mocking prayer and belittlement, such as leaving your prayer or walk out in mid-prayer and trying to justify with engaging in media Jihad, even for Palestine. MY POINT now and before: There is a time and place for everything: Stop playing computer games or watching TV to help Muslims. Don’t use Media Jihad to justify leaving your prayer, when the Sahaab did not even use Battle field jihad to leave their prayer THAT is my point. Everything else is Stuff & nonsense. I’m out. W/ Salam.
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2008-05-27 16:02:49
joe:
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STOP KILLING PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF YOUR RELIGION AND HEY PRESTO YOUR PROBLEMS WILL DISSAPEAR
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2008-05-28 00:10:39
kermit:
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Kiwi — Zahra JibrilAnd what do you know, Islam is based on female instincts. Ooops no one told me. It does not matter if it is 2008 or 14th Century. Islam is timeless. Read again the flexibility that Allah allows you in my post above, it answers your questions. Don't skim it and then expect me to repeat the same info AGAIN. :) TO: The person who has declared me as non Muslim. Yes allah is Ar-Rahmaan and Ar-Raheem and Al-Ghaffar, and he has given you mind and brain to reason, but I stop at mocking prayer and belittlement, such as leaving your prayer or walk out in mid-prayer and trying to justify with engaging in media Jihad, even for Palestine. MY POINT now and before: There is a time and place for everything: Stop playing computer games or watching TV to help Muslims. Don’t use Media Jihad to justify leaving your prayer, when the Sahaab did not even use Battle field jihad to leave their prayer THAT is my point. Everything else is Stuff & nonsense. I’m out. W/ Salam. i dont think your conculsion is what the article is saying, when i read it I understood it to mean, pray and fight for Allah to help the poor and then they elaborated on the importance of Jihad in Islam. you picked up on a small semantic issue, which there arguments for and against, and put an eloquant point forward, however your comments seem to imply you missed the central theme of the argument.
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2008-05-28 08:37:16
Akbar:
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1. Maybe I'm new to all this and am missing something but I cannot believe I as a Muslim am being blamed for the killing of Palestinians. It's the Israelis. There may be an issue where western governments through foreign policies somehow actively or passively support the Zionists. How dare you blame us Muslims. Okay we can write to our MPs etc and try and change their decision making processes. The major decisions on going to war and support of Zionists are made by Free Masons and similar closed bodies. THERE IS LITTLE WE CAN DO TO STOP THIS! Other than to inform our bros/sis about what's going on, there's little we can do politically.
2. We cant drop everything to help the Palestinian cause. We have our own obligations to ourselves, families, neighbours, community and then the ummah. From time to time we drop everything to help the ummah through charitable donations etc. 3. The above exchange of fiqh on Salat was bordering on disgraceful. Salat has its place up there and shouldn't be dismissed like some posters have been doing. You can break your salat for an urgent matter but you should complete it. You cannot drop it for the Palestinian Issue. 4 Why is MPAC not mobilising opinion and action against Free Masonry and similar organisations? 5 Why is MPAC always conflicting with Masjids and people in religion instead of winning them over and working with them? 6 MPAC need to improve on HOW they communicate. I recently heard the Unity Radio stream in which Asghar Bokhari was speaking. Although I agreed with his comments, to me he came across as a bit of a yob. Why don't the main MPAC speakers get elocution lessons? Margaret Thatcher used to sound coarse when she used to rant, then a speech therapist advised her to speak more slowly and in a more controlled and calm way - her popularity improved as a result. MPAC claim to have the better technique for dealing with the media, they need to improve on their spoken word.
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2008-05-28 12:59:40
shan:
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Joe tell that to your 300,000 armed to the teeth terrorists who are killing iraqis everyday in iraq.
These terrorists were sent by the governments you voted for,in that respect you are responsible for the millions of iraqis killed-maimed or made refugees. so do not patrionise us as we did not vote or ask anyone to kill or maim anyone be they christians-jews or muslims.
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2008-05-28 16:07:23
joe:
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i didn't vote for tony blair and you helped him stay in by not voting so its your fault. if it was up to me i wouldnt have invaded iraq i would have exposed Islam for what it is to all the world to see the evil of that cult. how it corrupts the minds of muslims and how Islam was stolen from the gospels and tora and twisted by the devil himself and if you knew what your "holy" books said you wouldnt call your self a muslim you would be too ashamed but alas your not supposed to ask question are you.
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2008-05-28 21:58:17
shan:
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Joe if we did not beleive in jesus peace be upon them,then you guys would get a befitting reply.
BTW when your god was allegedly in the womb of mary who was running the universe. I voted for the one party which opposed the war and they were the liberals. As for the muslim holy book being stolen from the torah and gospels bring the originals of those books and we shall debate on them as to which book contains the devils handywork.
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2008-05-29 10:44:17
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