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The Nakba for Dummies Print E-mail
Saturday, 17 May 2008

afd.gifThis year the Nakba will be remembering 60 years of occupation and 60 years of inhumane terror and injustice. Some children will have been born refugees and have now grown old as refugees. This year Israel will be celebrating 60 years of an independent state. 60 years of denying the right of refugees to return, under the UN law. 60 years of contempt. 60 years of pride of their actions

What is the Nakba?

The Nakba, “The Catastrophe” in Arabic, marks the period that Zionist forces spent massacring Palestinians and demolishing their homes to make way for more land in order to establish the exclusively Jewish state of Israel.

What Happened

At  the time Palestinians were mostly scattered peasant farmers with no army and with little need for one. Before the Nakba, Jewish lands only counted for well below 7% of Palestine. After Israel had declared its independence 80% of the Palestinians had lost their homes. Almost 800,000 had been expelled forcibly, or fled, for fear of the mass executions that were being enforced by Zionist forces.

Mr. Fahimi Zeidan, 12,:"The Jews ordered all our family to line up against the wall and they started shooting us. I was hit in the side, but most of us children were saved because we hid behind our parents. The bullets hit my sister Kadri [four] in the head, my sister Sameh [eight] in the cheek, my brother Mohammed [seven] in the chest. But all the others with us against the wall were killed: my father, my mother, my grandfather and grandmother, my uncles and aunts and some of their children."

Ms. Haleem Eid, 30: "A man [shot] a bullet into the neck of my sister Salhiyeh who was nine months pregnant. Then he cut her stomach open with a butcher's knife."

Ms. Naaneh Khalil, 16, saw a man: "take a kind of sword and slash my neighbor Jamil Hish from head to toe then do the same thing on the steps to my house to my cousin Fathi."

Ms. Safiyeh Attiyah, 41: "I screamed but around me other women were being raped too. Some of the men were so anxious to get our earrings they ripped our ears to pull them off faster."

Mr. Mohamed Jaber, student, "The Jews [broke] in, [drove] everybody outside, put them against the wall and shot them. One of the women was carrying a three month old baby."

palestine_reducing.jpg This particular mass execution was infamously led by the former Israeli President Menachem Begin, as Zionist forces cleared the area for Israeli settlers.

“There was a big British camp in Sarafand. When they withdrew, they left the tanks, cannons and guns for the Jews. We only had old rifles. Some people sold their wives' gold to buy guns to defend themselves. Jews used to live in a high area and they placed cannons to shoot down at us (Gaza, 1st generation, male).”

The Result

The Nakba is the main reason for the current Palestine-Israeli conflict. The extent of the annihilation within the two year period that saw the most killings and the brutal upheaval were the turning tables for the conflict. It resulted in the declaration of the Independence of Israel 14th May 1948.

What It Means

Palestinians will never forget the days that built up to the Nakba, as Israel achieved recognition from the governments of the US and Russia on the blood and land of the Palestinians.

Since then the Palestinian people continue to either live in exile as refugees, denied the inalienable right to return to their homes to live at peace. The few that were allowed to remain, continue to live under the belligerent military occupation of Israel, the occupying power, in the Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, are forced to endure the constant violation of their fundamental human rights. Indeed, with the passage of each year since Al-Nakba and since the occupation of the remainder of historic Palestine forty years ago, the Palestinian people have had to endure ever more loss, both human and material and mounting suffering and hardship. palestine.jpg

Nothing has successfully brought an end to this suffering or the fulfillment of the rights of the Palestinian people because of the intransigence of Israel and its total disrespect and contempt for international law, including humanitarian and human rights law. “Instead of complying with the law and pursuing peace, Israel, the occupying power, has acted with flagrant impunity, vehemently denying the rights of the Palestinian people and committing grave breaches, including war crimes, systematic human rights violations and acts of state terror against them. The root of all such illegal Israeli policies and practices against the Palestinian people has been Israel's insatiable desire for expansionism. As such, Israel has undermined or blatantly rejected all peace initiatives and violated all resolutions aimed at achieving a just and peaceful solution to the conflict on the basis of the rules of international law, the resolutions of international legitimacy and the principle of land for peace.” (United Nations, General Security Council)

Join MPACUK, as we commemorate with the rest of the world, the 60th year of The Nakba; what it means for us today, the importance of highlighting the world’s obscene injustices. And the continuous struggle we have ahead of us.




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kam: Quote

In listing the reasons for the Arab failure in 1948, Khaled al-
Azm (Syrian Prime Minister) notes that “…the fifth factor was the call
by the Arab governments to the inhabitants of Palestine to evacuate
it (Palestine) and leave for the bordering Arab countries. Since 1948,
it is we who have demanded the return of the refugees, while it is
we who made them leave. We brought disaster upon a million Arab
refugees by inviting them and bringing pressure on them to leave. We
have accustomed them to begging...we have participated in lowering
their morale and social level...Then we exploited them in executing
crimes of murder, arson and throwing stones upon men, women and
children...all this in the service of political purposes...” -- Khaled el-
Azm, Syrian prime minister after the 1948 War, in his 1972 memoirs,
published in 1973.
(1) 2008-05-17 11:18:09
kam: Quote

“The 15th May, 1948, arrived ... On that day the mufti of
Jerusalem appealed to the Arabs of Palestine to leave the country,
because the Arab armies were about to enter and fight in their stead.”
-- The Cairo daily Akhbar el Yom, October 12, 1963.
(2) 2008-05-17 11:19:52
kam: Quote

“Since 1948, the Arab leaders have approached the Palestinian
problem in an irresponsible manner. They have used to Palestinian
people for political purposes; this is ridiculous, I might even say
criminal...” -- King Hussein, Hashemite kingdom of Jordan, 1996.
(3) 2008-05-17 11:21:44
kam: Quote

“The Arab Exodus …was not caused by the actual battle, but
by the exaggerated description spread by the Arab leaders to incite
them to fight the Jews. …For the flight and fall of the other villages
it is our leaders who are responsible because of their dissemination of
rumors exaggerating Jewish crimes and describing them as atrocities
in order to inflame the Arabs ... By spreading rumors of Jewish atrocities,
killings of women and children etc., they instilled fear and terror
in the hearts of the Arabs in Palestine, until they fled leaving their
homes and properties to the enemy.” – The Jordanian daily newspaper
Al Urdun, April 9, 1953.
(4) 2008-05-17 11:27:37
kam: Quote

Sir John Troutbeck, British Middle East Office in Cairo,
noted in cables to superiors (1948-49) that the refugees (in Gaza)
have no bitterness against Jews, but harbor intense hatred toward
Egyptians: “They say ‘we know who our enemies are (referring to
the Egyptians)’, declaring that their Arab brethren persuaded them
unnecessarily to leave their homes…I even heard it said that many of
the refugees would give a welcome to the Israelis if they were to come
in and take the district over.”
(5) 2008-05-17 11:34:19
kam: Quote

Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) wrote an article in March 1976 in
Falastin al-Thawra, the official journal of the PLO in Beirut: “The
Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the
Zionist tyranny, but instead they abandoned them, forced them to
emigrate and to leave their homeland, imposed upon them a political
and ideological blockade and threw them into prisons similar to the
ghettos in which the Jews used to live in Eastern Europe.”
As Abu Mazen alluded, it was in large part due to threats and fearmongering
from Arab leaders that some 700,000 Arabs fled Israel in
1948 when the new state was invaded by Arab armies. Ever since, the
growing refugee population, now around 4 million by UN estimates,
has been corralled into squalid camps scattered across the Middle East
- in Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Gaza, and the West Bank.
In 1950, the UN set up the United Nations Relief and Works
Agency as a temporary relief effort for Palestinian refugees. Former
UNRWA director Ralph Galloway stated eight years later that, “the
Arab states do not want to solve the refugee problem. They want to
keep it as an open sore, as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders do
not give a damn whether Arab refugees live or die. The only thing that
has changed since [1949] is the number of Palestinians cooped up in
these prison camps.”
(6) 2008-05-17 11:39:28
kam: Quote

“Abu Mazen Charges that the Arab States Are the Cause of the
Palestinian Refugee Problem” (Wall Street Journal; June 5, 2003):
(7) 2008-05-17 11:41:11
ahmed: Quote

In 1967, the Arab states again launched an aggressive war against
Israel and as a result Israel became the governing authority in the
Gaza Strip, Sinai Peninsula, the Golan Heights, and in the West Bank.
Under Israeli rule from 1967 to 1992, The Palestinian population of
the West Bank experienced the highest standard of living of any Arab
country with the exception of the oil states. The same is true of Arab
Israelis. The Arab population of the West Bank and Gaza has tripled
since June 1967!
By contrast, since the transfer of authority in the West Bank to
the PLO in 1993, the condition of the Palestinian population under the
Palestinian Authority has declined precipitously. The standard of living
of the West Bank Palestinians has eroded, and GDP is one-tenth
of what it was under Israeli control. This is due to the mis-appropriation
of more than $5.2 billion by the rule of the Palestinian Authority
into the personal accounts of Arafat and his lieutenants for weapons
stock-piling, neglect of the infrastructure, and due to the continuous
terror war, against which Israel must exercise defensive controls and
deterrents.
Justice for Jewish and Arab refugees could have been part of a
peace settlement if the Arab states had been willing. Today, solutions
are possible, but only if the Palestinian Authority will stop its new war
of terror.
(8) 2008-05-17 11:47:06
kam: Quote

“The fact that there are these refugees is the direct consequence
of the act of the Arab states in opposing partition and the Jewish
state. The Arab states agreed upon this policy unanimously and they
must share in the solution of the problem.” – Emile Ghoury, secretary
of the Palestinian Arab Higher Committee, in an interview with the
Beirut Telegraph September 6, 1948. (same appeared in The London
Telegraph, August 1948)
(9) 2008-05-17 11:54:35
kam: Quote

“The mass evacuation, prompted partly by fear, partly by order
of Arab leaders, left the Arab quarter of Haifa a ghost city.... By withdrawing
Arab workers their leaders hoped to paralyze Haifa.” -- Time
Magazine, May 3, 1948, page 25
(10) 2008-05-17 11:56:10
kam: Quote

“Every effort is being made by the Jews to persuade the Arab
populace to stay and carry on with their normal lives, to get their
shops and businesses open and to be assured that their lives and interests
will be safe.” -- Haifa District HQ of the British Police, April 26,
1948, (quoted in Battleground by Samuel Katz).
(11) 2008-05-17 11:57:52
kam: Quote

“The most potent factor [in the flight of Palestinians] was the
announcements made over the air by the Arab-Palestinian Higher
Executive, urging all Haifa Arabs to quit... It was clearly intimated
that Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection
would be regarded as renegades.” -- London Economist October 2,
1948
(12) 2008-05-17 12:01:57
Tahira: Quote

Do you SEE how active Zionists are in spreading their propaganda?

Muslims WAKE UP!
(13) 2008-05-17 16:33:10
Tahira: Quote

Do you SEE how active Zionists are in spreading their propaganda?

Muslims WAKE UP!
(14) 2008-05-17 16:33:10
Kam2: Quote

If anyone could have made hitler look good it was this kind of kam's propaganda machine kam and thank god decent right minded thinking people woke up to the real hitler before it was to late by.

This kind of propaganda is the same as saying slavery of black people was a good thing as it gave them something to do or the aborigines din't deserve to live in australia because they didn't really make use of its resources anyway.

Any evil action in history can be twisted and excuses made as to evil actions but evil is evil and the way the palestinians have been treated israeli forces trying to conduct their own ethnic cleansing is evil.

(15) 2008-05-17 20:29:26
mick: Quote

On April 3rd, 2008 US passed a legislation urging the president that any reference to Palestinian refugees must “also include a similarly explicit reference to the resolution of the issue of Jewish refugees from Arab countries.” [3].

Joseph Crowley (D-NY) one of the sponsors of the bipartisan decision - which passed without objections - said:

“The world needs to understand that it is not just the Arabs and it’s not just the Palestinians in the Middle East, but also Jewish people who themselves were dispossessed of their possessions and their homes, and were victims of terrorist acts. These are people who lived in Middle Eastern communities not for decades, but for thousands of years.” Mr. Crowley added that the resolution will “bring light upon an issue that has been swept under the carpet.”

“Discussions of Middle Eastern refugees invariably focus exclusively—and shortsightedly—on the plight of those of Palestinian descent,” said Rep. Ros-Lehtinen. “Far fewer people are aware of the injustice faced by Jewish refugees from Arab lands and Iran. Many Jews saw their communities, which had existed vibrantly for centuries, systematically dismantled. They lost their resources, their homes, and their heritage sites, fleeing in the face of persecution, pogroms, revolutions, and brutal dictatorships.”

yeah wake up Muslims! not everything is as black and white learn the facts of both sides and somewhere between the lines you might find some of the truth THINK for yourself ASK questions.
(16) 2008-05-17 20:30:39
Zubair: Quote

Do you SEE how active Zionists are in spreading their propaganda?

Muslims WAKE UP!
— Tahira


Absolutely!

As per the usual Zionist tactic blame the refugees, blame the arab governments...in short blame everyone apart from Israel. Pathetic!
(17) 2008-05-17 20:41:43
Kam2: Quote

You can quote as many people asyou want kam and you may even misquote them for your very own evil purposes as I have said there is no justification for the evil that the israselis inflict on a daily basis upon the palestinians.

(18) 2008-05-18 10:12:39
kam2: Quote

In listing the reasons for the Arab failure in 1948, Khaled al-
Azm (Syrian Prime Minister) notes that “…the fifth factor was the call
by the Arab governments to the inhabitants of Palestine to evacuate
it (Palestine) and leave for the bordering Arab countries. Since 1948,
it is we who have demanded the return of the refugees, while it is
we who made them leave. We brought disaster upon a million Arab
refugees by inviting them and bringing pressure on them to leave. We
have accustomed them to begging...we have participated in lowering
their morale and social level...Then we exploited them in executing
crimes of murder, arson and throwing stones upon men, women and
children...all this in the service of political purposes...” -- Khaled el-
Azm, Syrian prime minister after the 1948 War, in his 1972 memoirs,
published in 1973.
— kam


How does this justify Israeli's evil kam?

Just why were palestinains encouraged to flee their lands? please tell us kam?
(19) 2008-05-18 10:18:52
kam2: Quote

“The 15th May, 1948, arrived ... On that day the mufti of
Jerusalem appealed to the Arabs of Palestine to leave the country,
because the Arab armies were about to enter and fight in their stead.”
-- The Cairo daily Akhbar el Yom, October 12, 1963.
— kam


Why did the arab armies have to fight kam?

Who were they going to fight against and for what reason kam?

Why weren't the palestinains able to fight themselves kam?
(20) 2008-05-18 10:20:32
kam2: Quote

“Since 1948, the Arab leaders have approached the Palestinian
problem in an irresponsible manner. They have used to Palestinian
people for political purposes; this is ridiculous, I might even say
criminal...” -- King Hussein, Hashemite kingdom of Jordan, 1996.
— kam


Are you trying to say that the arabs are responsible for the jewish invasion of palestine kam?
(21) 2008-05-18 10:22:12
kam2: Quote

“The Arab Exodus …was not caused by the actual battle, but
by the exaggerated description spread by the Arab leaders to incite
them to fight the Jews. …For the flight and fall of the other villages
it is our leaders who are responsible because of their dissemination of
rumors exaggerating Jewish crimes and describing them as atrocities
in order to inflame the Arabs ... By spreading rumors of Jewish atrocities,
killings of women and children etc., they instilled fear and terror
in the hearts of the Arabs in Palestine, until they fled leaving their
homes and properties to the enemy.” – The Jordanian daily newspaper
Al Urdun, April 9, 1953.
— kam


Are you saying that this newspaper opinion is factual kam or are you just selective in what you would like to believe?

Without the invasion of palestine none of this needed to have happended did it?
(22) 2008-05-18 10:25:32
kam2: Quote

Sir John Troutbeck, British Middle East Office in Cairo,
noted in cables to superiors (1948-49) that the refugees (in Gaza)
have no bitterness against Jews, but harbor intense hatred toward
Egyptians: “They say ‘we know who our enemies are (referring to
the Egyptians)’, declaring that their Arab brethren persuaded them
unnecessarily to leave their homes…I even heard it said that many of
the refugees would give a welcome to the Israelis if they were to come
in and take the district over.”
— kam


Good old divide and rule tactics then kam?

If everything else fails then balme it on someone else isn't that right?
(23) 2008-05-18 10:28:00
kam2: Quote

Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) wrote an article in March 1976 in
Falastin al-Thawra, the official journal of the PLO in Beirut: “The
Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the
Zionist tyranny, but instead they abandoned them, forced them to
emigrate and to leave their homeland, imposed upon them a political
and ideological blockade and threw them into prisons similar to the
ghettos in which the Jews used to live in Eastern Europe.”
As Abu Mazen alluded, it was in large part due to threats and fearmongering
from Arab leaders that some 700,000 Arabs fled Israel in
1948 when the new state was invaded by Arab armies. Ever since, the
growing refugee population, now around 4 million by UN estimates,
has been corralled into squalid camps scattered across the Middle East
- in Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Gaza, and the West Bank.
In 1950, the UN set up the United Nations Relief and Works
Agency as a temporary relief effort for Palestinian refugees. Former
UNRWA director Ralph Galloway stated eight years later that, “the
Arab states do not want to solve the refugee problem. They want to
keep it as an open sore, as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders do
not give a damn whether Arab refugees live or die. The only thing that
has changed since [1949] is the number of Palestinians cooped up in
these prison camps.”
— kam


Nothing I have read so far shows that Isreal is anything but an angelic state kam?

Are you sure you're not biased and just trying to get the arabs to fight amongts themselves?

Afterall this openess and willingness to be self-critical is only displayed in free and democratic nations isn't it?
(24) 2008-05-18 10:35:19
kam2: Quote

“Abu Mazen Charges that the Arab States Are the Cause of the
Palestinian Refugee Problem” (Wall Street Journal; June 5, 2003):
— kam


Isn't it good that even though the israelis consider the palestinians as sub-human that the arab countries are still wiilling to stand by them?

By the way why are the palestinains refugees kam?
(25) 2008-05-18 10:37:57
kam2: Quote

In 1967, the Arab states again launched an aggressive war against
Israel and as a result Israel became the governing authority in the
Gaza Strip, Sinai Peninsula, the Golan Heights, and in
the West Bank.
Under Israeli rule from 1967 to 1992, The Palestinian population of
the West Bank experienced the highest standard of living of any Arab
country with the exception of the oil states. The same is true of Arab
Israelis. The Arab population of the West Bank and Gaza has tripled
since June 1967!
By contrast, since the transfer of authority in the West Bank to
the PLO in 1993, the condition of the Palestinian population under the
Palestinian Authority has declined precipitously. The standard of living
of the West Bank Palestinians has eroded, and GDP is one-tenth
of what it was under Israeli control. This is due to the mis-appropriation
of more than $5.2 billion by the rule of the Palestinian Authority
into the personal accounts of Arafat and his lieutenants for weapons
stock-piling, neglect of the infrastructure, and due to the continuous
terror war, against which Israel must exercise defensive controls and
deterrents.
Justice for Jewish and Arab refugees could have been part of a
peace settlement if the Arab states had been willing. Today, solutions
are possible, but only if the Palestinian Authority will stop its new war
of terror.
— ahmed


Why have you decided to change your name kam?
(26) 2008-05-18 10:39:15
kam2: Quote

“The fact that there are these refugees is the direct consequence
of the act of the Arab states in opposing partition and the Jewish
state. The Arab states agreed upon this policy unanimously and they
must share in the solution of the problem.” – Emile Ghoury, secretary
of the Palestinian Arab Higher Committee, in an interview with the
Beirut Telegraph September 6, 1948. (same appeared in The London
Telegraph, August 1948)
— kam


So someone expresses an opinion that you want to agree with then kam?

All you are doing is showing how the palestinians and arab countries have always wanted peace but the isrealis have always wanted to spread their propaganda and grab more land.
(27) 2008-05-18 10:41:43
kam2: Quote

“The mass evacuation, prompted partly by fear, partly by order
of Arab leaders, left the Arab quarter of Haifa a ghost city.... By withdrawing
Arab workers their leaders hoped to paralyze Haifa.” -- Time
Magazine, May 3, 1948, page 25
— kam


You really should start putting you quotes into context kam and so far there has not been a single condemnation of israeli aggression.

Why are the palestinins refugees again kam?

What started all this?
(28) 2008-05-18 10:44:25
kam2: Quote

“Every effort is being made by the Jews to persuade the Arab
populace to stay and carry on with their normal lives, to get their
shops and businesses open and to be assured that their lives and interests
will be safe.” -- Haifa District HQ of the British Police, April 26,
1948, (quoted in Battleground by Samuel Katz).
— kam


I think you're making up your own quotes as you have a vested interest kam?

Just why did the palestinains find any of the people who were asking them to leave believable?

Maybe they could see with their own eyes and first hand expriences as to what was happending to them and their families, neighbours and other palestinains otherwise why would you want to beleive waht someone said about having to leave your home?
(29) 2008-05-18 10:48:36
kam2: Quote

“The most potent factor [in the flight of Palestinians] was the
announcements made over the air by the Arab-Palestinian Higher
Executive, urging all Haifa Arabs to quit... It was clearly intimated
that Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection
would be regarded as renegades.” -- London Economist October 2,
1948
— kam


Are you saying that the london economist was expressing a fact kam?

Why was this announcement made and why didn't did it say well the jews love you really muslim arabs really?
(30) 2008-05-18 10:51:22
kam2: Quote

On April 3rd, 2008 US passed a legislation urging the president that any reference to Palestinian refugees must “also include a similarly explicit reference to the resolution of the issue of Jewish refugees from Arab countries.” [3].

Joseph Crowley (D-NY) one of the sponsors of the bipartisan decision - which passed without objections - said:

“The world needs to understand that it is not just the Arabs and it’s not just the Palestinians in the Middle East, but also Jewish people who themselves were dispossessed of their possessions and their homes, and were victims of terrorist acts. These are people who lived in Middle Eastern communities not for decades, but for thousands of years.” Mr. Crowley added that the resolution will “bring light upon an issue that has been swept under the carpet.”

“Discussions of Middle Eastern refugees invariably focus exclusively—and shortsightedly—on the plight of those of Palestinian descent,” said Rep. Ros-Lehtinen. “Far fewer people are aware of the injustice faced by Jewish refugees from Arab lands and Iran. Many Jews saw their communities, which had existed vibrantly for centuries, systematically dismantled. They lost their resources, their homes, and their heritage sites, fleeing in the face of persecution, pogroms, revolutions, and brutal dictatorships.”

yeah wake up Muslims! not everything is as black and white learn the facts of both sides and somewhere between the lines you might find some of the truth THINK for yourself ASK questions.
— mick


You right kam we shoudl ask question and my first is?

why have you decided to change your name again kam?
(31) 2008-05-18 10:53:56
stu: Quote

"In listing the reasons for the Arab failure in 1948, Khaled al-
Azm (Syrian Prime Minister) notes that “…the fifth factor was"

I just want to know what the other four factors were
(32) 2008-05-18 13:31:44
kam: Quote

Israel is the only known country in all of history to
come into existence via legal and beneficial land development (as
opposed to the almost universal method of conquest). Israel’s victory
in the 1948 war and in the 1967 war, in which it was the victim of
genocidal aggression, and the refusal of Arab nations to join it in peace
negotiations, give Israel the legal right to maintain its sovereignty over
its newly won territories, and to develop those territories in any manner
that is not prejudicial to the well-being of the indigenous civilians.
Had Arab leaders been amenable to peace with Israel, there could have
been a Palestinian state in 1937, and again in 1947, and again in 1949;
and there would never have been an Arab refugee problem.
(33) 2008-05-18 17:44:28
kam: Quote

Contrary to current Arab propaganda, but congruent with all
news accounts contemporary to the events, Israel was the victim of
Arab genocidal aggression in the 1967 War. On May 15, 1967, Egypt
demanded that the UN peacekeeping forces, in place since the Sinai
Campaign, evacuate at once. UN Secretary General U-Thant, for
reasons never fully clarified, complied at once. Then, Egypt closed
the Straits of Tiran, blocking the Israeli port of Eilat for shipping,
and moved two tank battalions and 150,000 troops right up to Israel’s
western border.
(34) 2008-05-18 17:52:08
kam: Quote

The reason why there was no agitation among Palestinians for
their own national identity prior to 1967 is perfectly clear. The concept
of Palestine as a nation and Palestinians as a separate people
did not exist among the Arabs of the Turkish provinces that became
British Mandatory Palestine after World War I. Despite the contorted,
forced, and contrived narratives of apologists for the Palestinian war
against Israel like Rashid Khalidi, Baruch Kimmerling and others,
there was never any state called Palestine, no country inhabited by
“Palestinians”, and before 1967 no concept of a separate political, cultural,
or linguistic entity representing a defined group that could be
identified by such an appellation.
(35) 2008-05-18 17:59:38
kam: Quote

In a March 31, 1977 interview with the Amsterdam-based
newspaper Dagblad de Verdieping Trouw, PLO executive committee
member Zahir Muhse’in said: “The Palestinian people does not exist.
8 Yasir Arafat in his authorized biography, “Arafat: Terrorist or Peace Maker”,
by Alan Hart, 1982 The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our
struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today
there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and
Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today
about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national
interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian
people’ to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a
sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and
Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa,
Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right
to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine
and Jordan.
(36) 2008-05-18 18:03:08
kam: Quote

Syrian 5th Grade social studies textbooks show
“Greater Syria” as Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Israel. There is no
nation called Palestine. The concept of “Palestinians” as Arabs living
for millennia in “historic Palestine” is a fiction created for the political
and military purposes described by Zahir Muhse’in. This latter
day frenzy of Palestinian agitations for national self-determination
is simply the faux mantle of respectability behind which genocidal
Arab terrorism can be perpetrated against Israel with the support of
international do-gooders and “idealists.” After the Holocaust, Western
liberals cannot look kindly upon genocidal terrorism; but they can
embrace warmly and enthusiastically the deep and heartfelt yearnings
of an oppressed people struggling to be free. Hence, Arafat’s terrorist
propagandists needed to invent the lies of Palestinian National Identity
and Israeli occupation and oppression.
(37) 2008-05-18 18:10:26
kam: Quote

In August 2005, Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza strip
and removed all Israeli settlements from the area, along with all 8,500
Jewish settlers. In addition, Israel dismantled settlements at the northern
part of the West Bank. Israel had made an historically unprecedented
concession in an attempt to jump-start the peace process,
and demonstrate to the Palestinians that it was willing to trade land
for peace. Yet, there was no movement on the part of any Palestinian
leader to reciprocate. Instead there were terrorist leaders on Arab
TV, radio, newspapers, all declaring that the withdrawal was a great
victory for Arab terrorism, and that the terrorist attacks must escalate
so that Israel could be annihilated and all of Palestine “liberated.” In
other words, the problem is not the settlements. They were dismantled.
The problem is the existence of Jews in the land between the Jordan
River and the sea, and the commitment of the Arab terrorist leadership
to the destruction of Israel and the genocide of its people.
(38) 2008-05-18 20:53:51
RSD: Quote

This is conflict will not be resolved until each side under its own motivation acknowledges the injuries done to the other side. This includes the pre-1856 sectarian apartheid style government, the massacres stretching back into the 18th century, the nature of the occupation, the failures of government and leadership, etc etc. Unfortunately those so-called supporters of both sides discourage any real progress towards self-honesty.
(39) 2008-05-19 08:52:09
shan: Quote

What KAM is stating is that might is right and i agree with him that is the case.
but i do wish to ad that might is not anyones patent right,it is a slippery thing and the time for the other person to have the boot is approaching.
(40) 2008-05-19 11:04:05
KAM3: Quote

RDS,

I AGREE BUT THAT ENTAILS BOTH SIDES TO THINK IN THE SAME TERMS. ARE YOU AWARE OF THE MEANING TO THE RADICALS OF

1/ DARL AL ISLAM AND DARL AL HARB?
2/ "1ST COMES SATURDAY THEN COMES SUNDAY?
3/ MOHAMMED (PBUH) WHY (PBUM)WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHY DO MOSLIMS SAY IT EVERY TIME THEY MENTION MOHAMMED ?
(41) 2008-05-19 12:05:05
Kam2: Quote

You haven't answered a single question kam but just want to spread the hate and contempt that israel has for humanity and the international community including un resolutions and the international courts.
(42) 2008-05-19 15:59:40
RSD: Quote

Kam3 - I am perfectly aware of the terms of Dar El Islam / Harb / Dhimmi, and how they have been applied over history and how their legacy informs both sides paradigms in this conflict. I am also aware that Christianity when it split from Judaism established Sunday rather than Saturday as the Sabbath. I am also aware that Muslim invite Praise Be Upon Him when they invoke the name of Muhammed out of respect to the founder of their religion. However this does not diminish nor does it augment my statements. Until the perpetrators of violence in its many forms acknowledge their own wrong doing will there be any leaningful progression towards peaceful co-existance. I remain deeply disappointed that many contributors to the MPACUK site cannot move beyond their own introspection and begin to understand the motivations and hurts of others. Were the Israelis and Palestinians and their respective supporters to progress beyond this largely self-destructive introspection the promise for the future is enormous. It is a future which could entail the combined Israel / Palestine / Jordan (& Lebanon?) becoming an example of how ordinary people can share equally in the commonwealth of the nation states. As one Jordanian writer recently pointed out, the most galling aspect of Israel is that it appears to be a rather nice place to live and Jordan and elsewhere in the region seem so awful in comparison. There is much to be gained through peace and sharing the land, and little or nothing to be gained through constant war.
(43) 2008-05-19 18:47:18
Kam2: Quote

RDS,

I AGREE BUT THAT ENTAILS BOTH SIDES TO THINK IN THE SAME TERMS. ARE YOU AWARE OF THE MEANING TO THE RADICALS OF

1/ DARL AL ISLAM AND DARL AL HARB?
2/ "1ST COMES SATURDAY THEN COMES SUNDAY?
3/ MOHAMMED (PBUH) WHY (PBUM)WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHY DO MOSLIMS SAY IT EVERY TIME THEY MENTION MOHAMMED ?
— KAM3


Go on tell us then kam??
(44) 2008-05-19 19:09:40
kam2: Quote

"I remain deeply disappointed that many contributors to the MPACUK site cannot move beyond their own introspection and begin to understand the motivations and hurts of others".

RSD i can understand your total dispapoint that you feel unable to brainwash mpac and others into your twisted reconing whereby only israeli jews have been the victim of injustice. You should start clearing thine own eye instead of casting the first stone against others.
(45) 2008-05-20 15:23:44
RSD: Quote

Kam2 - It is sign of maturity and a developed intellect to be able to move beyond one's self and appreciate the emotions and motivations of others. It is only through understanding the "other" that individuals and communities can expect that their own issues will be addressed. It is of course difficult and challenging, but not to embrace this condemns all sides to an endless cycle of violence and oppression. I do not exclude the Israelis and their supporters from this admonishment, but it is unreasonable and unrealistic to expect something from them that it is not expected from others, and to do so merely fuels their sense of continuing victimisation. There are many who will not or cannot countenance critical self-examnination, and this can only be rooted either in immaturity or fear of the outcome.
(46) 2008-05-21 11:50:31
Kam2: Quote

RSD - clearly you have not read my response.
(47) 2008-05-21 15:33:52
Jackson: Quote

Sir John Troutbeck, British Middle East Office in Cairo,
noted in cables to superiors (1948-49) that the refugees (in Gaza)
have no bitterness against Jews, but harbor intense hatred toward
Egyptians: “They say ‘we know who our enemies are (referring to
the Egyptians)’, declaring that their Arab brethren persuaded them
unnecessarily to leave their homes…I even heard it said that many of
the refugees would give a welcome to the Israelis if they were to come
in and take the district over.”
— kam

"There was a big British camp in Sarafand. When they withdrew, they left the tanks, cannons and guns for the Jews. We only had old rifles. Some people sold their wives' gold to buy guns to defend themselves. Jews used to live in a high area and they placed cannons to shoot down at us (Gaza, 1st generation, male)"

http://www.rsc.ox.ac.uk/

(search for nakba)

I'll be damned if I take the word of a British Official!
(48) 2008-05-21 22:29:15
Theo: Quote

There were some British that were appalled at the happenings there. And there are some British who are trying collect the witness stories so that the accounts are never forgotten. You cant paint everyone with the same brush. The same way not all Jews are Zionists. The same way not all Muslims are extremists or suicide bombers.
(49) 2008-06-12 13:25:32
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