Zionists are vile. Our mainstream press are just as bad showing celebrations of ethnic cleansing without showing the consequences like pictures from the refugee camps. One side of the story.

I am curious to note that there are no comments on here about muslims killing muslims in Lebanon, nor about the muslims of hezbollah taking over Beirut and the destruction of the democratically elected government there.

What we have endlessly on Mpac are Just these endless and rather boring attempts to rant about "zionists", --ignoring the fact that muslim countries treat their own fellows much worse than the izraelis treat palestinians (witness turkey for example and the kurdish minority), or the fact that muslims kill more muslims each year than israel has killed over the past 60 years.

Why? Is it because you are ashamed of muslim behaviour towards other muslims and can't face thinking about it, let alone acting to stop it?

Answers please (and no rants about me being a zionist, that really is too tedious for words)

It cant go on forever. There will be a day when the tide will change and surely those who have supported injustice will be the true loser.

Exactly, no media outlet is ever going to show the suffering of Palestine and it's people.

What really makes me angry is that these people have been living on false hopes for 60 years! but you have to respect and salute thier courage.

It always makes me laugh to see people like you come along and spout your "democracy" crap. Lets be clear about one thing: The Lebanese government that you refer to has historically been held up in the interests of outside powers such as France, Britain, and Israel - and still continues to be til this day. The democracy you refer to there is the minority ruling the majority. The calamity that is Lebanon is in this state because of outside interests not ruling for the people.

And on what basis are you saying that Muslim countries treat their fellow Muslims worse than the Israelis have treated Palestinians?
What Muslim country has invaded a fellow Muslim country and exiled their people for over half a century? What Muslim country practices apartheid against a fellow Muslim? Or indeed against any other religious or ethnic background?

Don't kid yourself, my friend. Its easy enough to take the high horse when you haven't been subjected to the torment that these people go through.

No one here is ignoring that there are many injustices in this world. However, to try and hide any of them with the argument "worse things happen at sea" like you're attempting to doing is despicable. Don't sit there and preach to me and try to justify the murder and expulsion practiced by the terrorist state of Israel.

Hi Maq,

You seem to have willfully disregarded the theme of David's comments, which is, in gist, that things of equal horror (if not far far worse) happen within most if not all muslim countries than the horrors committed by the state of izrael against the palestinians.

All you have to do is google Amnesty International and add any muslim country (any muslim country -I joke not) to find a nightmarish catalogue of humanitarian horrors that would make adolf hitler, or stalin blush with shame.

The following routine phrase from Amnesty seems to be common in their reports of muslim countries: "Torture of both political detainees and criminal suspects remained common and systematic, and reportedly led to several deaths in custody. Frequently reported methods included beatings, electric shocks, prolonged suspension by the wrists and ankles in contorted positions, death threats and sexual abuse."

Egypt seems prone to its police raping male suspects in custody. Turkey, likewise. Syria, well, apart from murdering HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of its own people over the past 60 years, its human rights record is beyond lamentable.

I don't need to go on, surely? Just check for yourself.

The point that David makes is surely that with this fantastic success story of muslim human rights achievements (that is me being sarcastic) why do you muslims turn a blind eye to this all the time and yet go on and on about israel? I still have not received a satisfactory answer.

And to rant on about me being a zionist (which I am not) and how unique the crimes of izrael are is not an answer (Izrael's human rights abuses are manifest and open) because they are NOT unique.

regards

"What Muslim country has invaded a fellow Muslim country and exiled their people for over half a century? What Muslim country practices apartheid against a fellow Muslim? Or indeed against any other religious or ethnic background?"

Let's see...

1. Constantinople wasn't exactly a Muslim area when it was taken over in 1453. After the conquest most Greeks fled into the Latin West. Some stayed and converted. Clear example of "ethnic cleansing" in your terminology. One of many over the centuries.

2. For many many centuries "Palestine" (assume you are claiming it to be a "muslim country" even though it wasn't) was ruled by the Ottomans. Egypt took over Gaza and Jordan took over "West Bank" in 1948. How was that different?

3. Iran-Iraq war; Muslim on Muslim, right? Up to 1,500,000 estimated dead as a result of it.

4. Iraq attack on Kuwait. Many refugees - allowed to return thanks to American intervention.

5. Darfur. At least 200 thousand people dead within a few years + 1,600,000 displaced as a result of actions instigated by the Muslims.

Many, many, many other examples that anyone who watches TV is aware of.

No compare this to less than 100,000 dead on all sides over nearly 100 years of Arab-Jewish conflict, 800 thousand displaced Palestinians and 800 thousand displaced Jews.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realise that actually justifies the actions of the Israelis. Just so long as it happens in other places too.

Maq,

reading all the above comments I am amazed by your total inability to understand the most basic of arguments and to answer the simplest of questions. You seem to be like a needle stuck in an old fashioned vinyl LP !!!

You say: "Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realise that actually justifies the actions of the Israelis. Just so long as it happens in other places too."

No, it doesn't justify anything, but your manic obsession with izraeli atrocities is not balanced by your showing any interest whatsoever in atrocities committed by muslim states.

And that is the question - Why do you muslims show no interest in horrors committed by muslims upon other muslims??

It is the answer to this question that we patiently await the answer to.

Can you answer it?

I don't give one atrocity any prominence over another. Wrong is wrong, no matter who is responsible for it - Muslim or otherwise.

There should be recognition of all acts of crime.

However, lets be clear about the purpose of the kind of posts saying "What about what Muslims do?": Its an attempt to deflect the issue on to something else. Its an attempt to avoid the issue.

The Palestinian Arabs were offered a country of their own in 1948. When Israel declared independence in May 1948 it was attacked by its Arab neighbours with the stated intend of killing all its Jewish inhabitants. When this war ended most the land that the UN had allocated for an independent Palestine remained in Arab hands but no Palestinian state was created because Egypt and Jordan took these lands for themselves. Having been killed or dispossessed no Jews remained in those lands but a large Arab minority remained in Israel. The reason there remains a Palestinian refugee problem rests squarely with the Arabs. In the early 1950s the Arab League passed a resolution forbidding its members to give citizenship to Palestinian Arabs. It met and meets the needs of these Arab police states to have an ongoing crisis in the Middle East. If Palestinians were given citizenship in there lands of refuge (like they have ironically in Israel) there would be no refugee crisis.