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| Sunday, 20 April 2008 | |
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However since we have a lot of respect for our readers we not only felt that we would clarify the issue, but amend the title name as a good will gesture. Once again we aim to make Muslims realise that MPACUK is one of the very few Muslim groups who are accountable to the public. We hope one day all Muslim groups will be accountable to the public they serve. Original article follows: MPACUK has exposed the mafia that is behind the giant Mega Mosque. We told you how they hired a PR firm to ensure the giant Palace that they want to call a Mosque was built. Yet the group behind the multi million pound project refused to hire a PR firm after 7/7, when millions of Muslims were being demonised. They didn’t spend their cash to stop the Iraq war when a PR team was desperately needed by Muslims to counter Government spin, they didn’t even hire a PR firm when Palestinians were gunned down like animals in cold blooded murder recently claiming, wait for it ‘we are not a political organisation’. Despite Israeli PR teams working overtime to spin the attack in their favor – Muslims had none. Every day Muslims are attacked and vilified and yet they have never hired a PR firm to protect us. But when they want to build an even bigger palace for their ego’s they spend thousands to make them look good. Dead Muslims didn’t deserve any money on PR – that money was only used to recruit and build for their own group. Everyone else can go to hell. Now we can expose the group for their blatant double standards again. Over 1 million Muslims are now dead due to the invasion of Iraq, a civilization is now occupied and their resources controlled by a foreign Government. And yet both before or during the Iraq invasion, the people who run the Tablighi Jamaat mosques openly stated they would not counter the war as they were ‘not political’. Further to this MPACUk members were beaten up live in camera by the thugs in these mosques in Operation Muslim vote – who ended up ‘getting political for Jack straw’ the very man who was foreign secretary who pushed the country to invade. It’s not like they have changed their hypocritical colors. MPACUK was told that getting the Muslims active for Palestine was ‘outside' the remit of the mosque as they were not political. Women and children were gunned down while these Mosque leaders watched. Angry we carried on fighting alone. Today we heard shocking news. The people behind the TJ mosque were handing out leaflets for Ken Livingstone outside their mosques. The reason – he was a powerful man who would help get permission to build it. What low down hypocrite group get political when it’s in their interest? To get their building built they'll get political but when hundreds of thousands of Muslims are murdered in cold blood they wont do a single thing because they don’t believe in politics. The Prophet PBUH said ‘A single drop of Muslim blood is more precious to Allah then the Kaaba (the greatest mosque) and everything that surrounds it). What a disgrace, what a sham, what utter hypocrisy! These traitors do not deserve a Mosque, these thugs and goons deserve nothing from the Muslim community. Those who back the Mosque must promise the Ummah that the Mosque will be open, meritocratic so that the best Muslim minds can lead the community, allow women onto the committee, be non racist or sectarian and of course protect the community they are there to serve. If they cannot give us these guarantees you can be sure, that the thugs who backed Jack Straw will have the largest Mosque in Europe to intimidate any ones who speaks up for Muslims, and be silent when they attack another Muslim country or pass laws that throw us all in jail.           Readers have left 30 comments.
just me:
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Fair enough you want to build mega mosques but wouldnt the money go a bit further by getting training for the people of the community that are around them?? People of the community meaning muslims and non muslims. Training to get jobs make businesses?? Not just another money collection centre where you can pray?
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2008-04-20 23:23:56
Ali Abdullah:
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Typical!! They only like politics when it suits themselves!
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2008-04-21 01:49:42
kermit:
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i saw this article this morning and thought, oh my goodness, mpac are spoiling for a fight...
then i thought, No they are right, TJ and their supporters need to answer these valid questions.
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2008-04-21 09:10:54
shan:
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I feel the above article will show you in the light you accuse others of, calling people hypocrites-thugs and goons will not help to do what you state are your intentions.
if you wish to use these words then use them for the muslim labour councillors and MPs or those who vote for labour,if anyone they are the ones responsible for inciting religious hatred and paranoia.
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2008-04-21 09:20:17
Saracen:
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I agree with Mpac that the people who are building this mosque are on an ego trip and are only building the mosque to improve their status in the communities. These people are not interested spreading deen or what the wider impact the mosque will have on the indeginous community. Where i believe Mpac is incorrect is that the people who are building this mosque may believe in the work of tabilgh jammat however, they go against the shurah of TJ who asked them not to build this mosque. The people who are building this mosque are doing this for themselves. TJ is a movement that goes in to a mosque if it is invited in by the committees of the mosques. These people see the benfits of the the work of TJ hence they allow them in to the mosques. TJ can not stop people from building these mega mosques in their communities. If the local community leaders want to go ahead and build a mega mosque then they will, TJ can not stop that the only thing they can do is advise them. I agree that the men who run the committes of these mosques are the hypocrites, They use what ever means to improve their status in the communities. I have known on many occasions when TJ has been used by some of these mosque committee members to increase the gatherings and then they are told they are not needed anymore. If you look into TJ, the work they do honourable and yes the do not comment on political issues. Sadly the our on mosque commitee members or cronies in every community across the country are the ones who have alot to answer for.
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2008-04-21 10:06:21
sufi:
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I am utterly appalled by the language and depravity of the article! Muslims can differ in their opinion, but to label one/another as hypocrites is a grave offence. Allah Commands us in Surah Hujuraat not to mock each other and the Prophet (SAW) informed us that our remaining muslim is conditional on sparing other muslims from our hands / tongues! Another hadith mentions that once Takfir/Tanfiq is performed, the words rise up to the heavens - if these words are not fit for the person, then they are denied access to the heavens and is thrown back on the pronouncer who becomes the receiver!
The enemies of Islam have through time enticed muslims to internecine warfare - Shia against Sunni in Iraq, Tajiks against Pashtuns in Afghanistan, Saudi against Iran etc with devastating consequence. The Quran clearly commands us to remain together and not to differ to the extent that we fight each other! Shame on you MPACUK!! I hope the MPACUK will never again descend to this level of depravity and assist the enemies of Islam! The Prophet (SAW) commanded us to help our brothers, whether an oppressed or an oppressor! On response to the Sahabah's query he explained that the oppressor should be stopped from oppression. O Allah! I have conveyed Your and Your Prophet’s Message!!
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2008-04-21 18:44:28
MPAC Supports Neo-Cons:
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And what does MPAC do? Join Christian Zionists and Fundamentalists to oppose Muslims.
Instead of clarifying why they are supporting a Christian fundamentalist, MPAC are trying to create hype by attacking TJ. Good spin brothers. Keep it up. http://christian-1.cust.host-it.co.uk/london/?page=news&id=262
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2008-04-21 19:02:32
Barbarossa:
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I am utterly appalled by the language and depravity of the article! Muslims can differ in their opinion, but to label one/another as hypocrites is a grave offence. Allah Commands us in Surah Hujuraat not to mock each other and the Prophet (SAW) informed us that our remaining muslim is conditional on sparing other muslims from our hands / tongues! Another hadith mentions that once Takfir/Tanfiq is performed, the words rise up to the heavens - if these words are not fit for the person, then they are denied access to the heavens and is thrown back on the pronouncer who becomes the receiver! — sufiThe enemies of Islam have through time enticed muslims to internecine warfare - Shia against Sunni in Iraq, Tajiks against Pashtuns in Afghanistan, Saudi against Iran etc with devastating consequence. The Quran clearly commands us to remain together and not to differ to the extent that we fight each other! Shame on you MPACUK!! I hope the MPACUK will never again descend to this level of depravity and assist the enemies of Islam! The Prophet (SAW) commanded us to help our brothers, whether an oppressed or an oppressor! On response to the Sahabah's query he explained that the oppressor should be stopped from oppression. O Allah! I have conveyed Your and Your Prophet’s Message!! I think you are missing something here, calling someone a hypocrite simply means they are acting like a hypocrite (saying one thing and doing another), not that they are not Muslim. Second if you believe in the Hadith you quoted of stopping the oppressor - then surely you would stop the real oppressor the Mosque thugs who oppress the Muslims from Iraq to Palestine to right here in the UK? MPAC seems to be acting on the very hadith you mentioned and holding these oppressors to account and thus applying pressure on them to stop? Exactly then what the Prophet PBUH would have wanted?
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2008-04-21 19:15:32
MPACUK Mod:
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And what does MPAC do? Join Christian Zionists and Fundamentalists to oppose Muslims. — MPAC Supports Neo-ConsInstead of clarifying why they are supporting a Christian fundamentalist, MPAC are trying to create hype by attacking TJ. Good spin brothers. Keep it up. http://christian-1.cust.host-it.co.uk/london/?page=news&id=262
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2008-04-21 19:38:29
Hader:
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And what does MPAC do? Join Christian Zionists and Fundamentalists to oppose Muslims. — MPAC Supports Neo-ConsInstead of clarifying why they are supporting a Christian fundamentalist, MPAC are trying to create hype by attacking TJ. Good spin brothers. Keep it up. http://christian-1.cust.host-it.co.uk/london/?page=news&id=262 noted how you did not disagree with anything written in the article? If you cannot counter anything said are we to assume that the diversionary tactics are coming from you?
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2008-04-21 19:53:48
Reality:
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Well, well, well,
MPACUK+Hypocrites+apostates+Neo-cons/Zionists and racists against Muslims building a Masjid! U see I’m no TJ nor some pacifist sufi and I wish to see reform in many or most Masjids in the country in how they are run and who they are run by but never would I ally with kaafirs, apostates and hypocrites against fellow Muslims – AND THIS IS PRECISELY THE ISSUE HERE! No matter what fancy “smokescreen” speech ur leader Zulfi Bukhari makes up (who’s probably a shi’ite) it is not going to hide the fact! This is about Al-Wala’ wa’l-Bara’ – We as Muslims have many issues and problems and many amongst us be they TJ or these Sufis or these weirdo Brelvis there are many issues that we wont like or agree with or wish to change – but the bottom line is they are our brothers of which in consequence they have rights over us which mandates a specific way of dealing with these issues - amongst us Muslims! What the heck are you allying with kuffar and hypocrites against them!? And out of all issues - working and striving against the establishment of a Masjid?!! Maybe they (TJ) could have used the money for something better maybe they could have used their resources better for the interests of Islam, etc etc etc BUT THE FACT is U are still working against the establishment of a masjid and ur allies are kaafirs, hypocrites and apostates!!!! “And who is more unjust than those who forbid that Allâh's Name be glorified and mentioned much (i.e. prayers and invocations, etc.) in Allâh's Mosques and strive for their ruin? It was not fitting that such should themselves enter them (Allâh's Mosques) except in fear. For them there is disgrace in this world, and they will have a great torment in the Hereafter” (Al-Baqarah 2:114) And what is even more pathetic is seeing some of the supportive comments left by ur cult like blind followers – who are so blind as usual they cant even analyze and see the issue in accordance to ISLAM!! Yep this has to be the last straw for me – it (mpacuk) started something as positive, a breath of fresh air a new thing in fulfilling something that Muslims were absent in, but slowly, slowly it has sadly led to this – MPACUK is nothing but a “Trojan Horse” which harbors an agenda which will inevitably hurt the Muslims in the long term – fancy emotional speeches and the good work in combating Zionism etc n the Media is nothing but a deceptive ploy to gather support and influence within out community in pursuit of their sectarian agenda in spreading a government sponsored Islam were a mega-mosque with Ed Hussein as the Imam is exactly what they want!!!
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2008-04-21 21:15:02
Khalid:
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Well, well, well, — RealityMPACUK+Hypocrites+apostates+Neo-cons/Zionists and racists against Muslims building a Masjid! U see I’m no TJ nor some pacifist sufi and I wish to see reform in many or most Masjids in the country in how they are run and who they are run by but never would I ally with kaafirs, apostates and hypocrites against fellow Muslims – AND THIS IS PRECISELY THE ISSUE HERE! No matter what fancy “smokescreen” speech ur leader Zulfi Bukhari makes up (who’s probably a shi’ite) it is not going to hide the fact! This is about Al-Wala’ wa’l-Bara’ – We as Muslims have many issues and problems and many amongst us be they TJ or these Sufis or these weirdo Brelvis there are many issues that we wont like or agree with or wish to change – but the bottom line is they are our brothers of which in consequence they have rights over us which mandates a specific way of dealing with these issues - amongst us Muslims! What the heck are you allying with kuffar and hypocrites against them!? And out of all issues - working and striving against the establishment of a Masjid?!! Maybe they (TJ) could have used the money for something better maybe they could have used their resources better for the interests of Islam, etc etc etc BUT THE FACT is U are still working against the establishment of a masjid and ur allies are kaafirs, hypocrites and apostates!!!! “And who is more unjust than those who forbid that Allâh's Name be glorified and mentioned much (i.e. prayers and invocations, etc.) in Allâh's Mosques and strive for their ruin? It was not fitting that such should themselves enter them (Allâh's Mosques) except in fear. For them there is disgrace in this world, and they will have a great torment in the Hereafter” (Al-Baqarah 2:114) And what is even more pathetic is seeing some of the supportive comments left by ur cult like blind followers – who are so blind as usual they cant even analyze and see the issue in accordance to ISLAM!! Yep this has to be the last straw for me – it (mpacuk) started something as positive, a breath of fresh air a new thing in fulfilling something that Muslims were absent in, but slowly, slowly it has sadly led to this – MPACUK is nothing but a “Trojan Horse” which harbors an agenda which will inevitably hurt the Muslims in the long term – fancy emotional speeches and the good work in combating Zionism etc n the Media is nothing but a deceptive ploy to gather support and influence within out community in pursuit of their sectarian agenda in spreading a government sponsored Islam were a mega-mosque with Ed Hussein as the Imam is exactly what they want!!! How dare you use Islam and quotes from our beloved Prophet PBUH to back murderers like the ones who run our Mosques! How dare you come and pretend this is about Allah's house!- when the people who are now in control of it are the ones who back men who murder our sisters and brothers! Answers the questions - why did this evil little band of pirates who hijacked the mosque get involved in poltics for thier own palace but not for the Ummah??? dont you dare talk of love of Islam and the Prophet PBUH and at the same time defend the traitors who backed the murder of our brothers in iraq, stood silent when the Palestinians were murdered. Islam to you is akin to to a medicine that you use to poison people instead of healing them. change the mosque leaders - demand they protect us - else shut your mouth for you dont care for the Ummah and you dont care for the Prophet PBUH or his Lord!
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2008-04-21 21:56:22
Jamshed:
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Calm down Khalid, I agree the brother has lost the plot and can only see his beloved mosque leaders, allowing them to do any corruption on this earth and never trying to stop them.
But talkind in this manner only makes you sound like him, men of reason will win the day, not those who quote more often.
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2008-04-21 23:37:36
Reality:
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@Khaled:
And the first of the MPACUK zombies, robot hypocrites has spoken! – & what do u know as expected with the usual deceptive methods used by their foot-solders to defecate on the minds of the Muslims and make them brain-dead: 1. Use emotion and try to make the opponent look as if he is guilty of the massacres of the Muslims??!!! 2. Tell ur opponent how dare he quotes Ayats and Hadith which go against MPACUK??!! 3. Tell ur opponent to follow the policies of MPACUK or shut up??!!! Oi Zombie do u know what Al-Wala’ wa’l-Bara’ is?? No didn’t think so! Stop waffling and buckle down – if u or any of the MPACUK cronies wish to justify ur actions – JUSTIFY it from an ISLAMIC position u heretics, this is not about what TJ do -– I flipping disagree with TJ on many issues – THIS IS PRECISELY ABOUT U ALLYING WITH APPOSTATES, KUFFAR AND HYPOCRITES AGAINST MUSLIMS – Got that!!! “You (O Muhammad SAW) will not find any people who believe in Allâh and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW ), even though they were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred (people).” (Al-Mujadilah 58:22) “O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies (i.e. disbelievers and polytheists, etc.) as friends, showing affection towards them……” (Al-Mumtahinah 60:1) “Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Auliyâ (supporters, helpers, etc.) instead of the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by Allâh in any way……..”(Aali Imran 3:28) What other policies which include allying with Neo-Cons/Zionists, hypocrites & apostates against Muslims do u have O MPACUK under ur sleeves in the near future?? When Allah Has Ordered the Believers to be allies to one another – in helping one another correcting one another, picking up one another when one falls, supporting one another and defending one another: “The believers, men and women, are Auliyâ' (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another, they enjoin (on the people) Al-Ma'rűf (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism and all that Islâm orders one to do), and forbid (people) from Al-Munkar (i.e. polytheism and disbelief of all kinds, and all that Islâm has forbidden); they perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât) and give the Zakât, and obey Allâh and His Messenger. Allâh will have His Mercy on them. Surely Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Wise.” (At-Tawbah 9:71) When the Messenger of Allah (saw) said: “A Muslim is the brother of another Muslim. He does not BETRAY HIM, nor does he lie to him, nor does he FROSAKE HIM. All of the Muslim to (another) Muslim is sacred – his honor, his wealth and his blood. Taqwaa (fear and obedience to Allaah) is right here [pointing to his chest]. It is enough evil for a person to look down upon his fellow Muslim.” [Saheeh –Reported by At-Tirmidhee (1992)] And the planned Masjid is not a Masjid u say u bunch of heretics??!!! U heretics I challenges u to provide one fatwa from any reputable Alim on the Globe today who stated this is not a Masjid or passed a fatwa stating the Planned Mega Mosque is regarded as Masjid Adh-Dhiraar – which mandates opposition to it and destroying it. And no – I don’t want any fatwas from “Ayatullah” Bukhari!! "Say, “Produce your proof if you are truthful.”" (Al-Baqarah, 111)
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2008-04-21 23:43:15
Abdul Haq:
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@Khaled: — RealityAnd the first of the MPACUK zombies, robot hypocrites has spoken! (another) Muslim is sacred – his honor, his wealth and his blood. Don't think you are the only Muslim scholar on here. I've studied Dars-e-nizami too but nowhere did I come across any justification for the type of behaviour you portray here bro Reality. If you had any ounce of Aadaab maybe you could claim the higher moral ground but no. You just have shown that you can quote Quran and Hadith to serve your ego rather than what the truth is. FYI, I agree that only a shock to the system is able to wake Muslims from their deep slumber. Reform won't happen if you just stay quiet and keep the Ummah's problems "hidden Inside". Burying our heads in the sand in an ostrich like fashoin has got us nowhere. You stand up and shout when you think the honour of a few Muslims is shaken by someone who seeks to activate you yet you refuse to defend the blood or honour of the Palestinians or the Iraqis getting slaughtered. You are the one that needs a REALITY CHECK don't you think Molana? WS
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2008-04-22 01:16:07
Madam:
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Khaled, Abdul Haq: Hear! Hear!
This 'Reality' (oh, purrrleeeze!) the non-muslim charlatan often infests this site with scattered quotes from the Quraan and the Hadith. (look how many words this egotist inserts in the brackets, thereby rewriting the Quraan itself!) Utterly shameless. No real Muslim would DARE insert words into the Quraan. Fools no one.
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2008-04-22 07:56:52
Syed:
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No matter what fancy “smokescreen” speech ur leader Zulfi Bukhari makes up (who’s probably a shi’ite) it is not going to hide the fact! — Reality
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2008-04-22 08:41:38
Jibreel:
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Reality I normally like and agree with your posts, but on this instance you are wrong.
Even the quotes you mention are not in line with the debate or the spirit of the article. This is what happens when one applies quotes without fully thinking them through as is the case with too many Muslims. Let us take an example of a quote you made: “The believers, men and women, are Auliyâ' (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another, they enjoin (on the people) Al-Ma'rűf (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism and all that Islâm orders one to do), and forbid (people) from Al-Munkar (i.e. polytheism and disbelief of all kinds, and all that Islâm has forbidden); they perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât) and give the Zakât, and obey Allâh and His Messenger. Allâh will have His Mercy on them. Surely Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Wise.” (At-Tawbah 9:71) Look again at the article and look again at the quote..'the believers are helpers, supporters of one another' ...is this not exactly what th article is saying - that the Muslim Leaders betrayed the Ummah - refused to help them, in fact backed the very wrong doers and evil ones?? Let us looks at another:; “O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies (i.e. disbelievers and polytheists, etc.) as friends, showing affection towards them……” (Al-Mumtahinah 60:1) was it MPAC that backed the murder of the Iraqi Muslims ot the Mosque Leaders who were either silent fearing for their own position on like in my town openly backing Jack Straw (i am from Blackburn). A Muslim must not quote without thinking through their argument, you feel an emmotional attachment to the Mosque, but you fail to have the same emmotional attachment to the people those leaders 'BETRAYED' As you quote : “A Muslim is the brother of another Muslim. He does not BETRAY HIM, nor does he lie to him, nor does he FROSAKE HIM. All of the Muslim to (another) Muslim is sacred – his honor, his wealth and his blood. Taqwaa (fear and obedience to Allaah) is right here [pointing to his chest]. It is enough evil for a person to look down upon his fellow Muslim.” [Saheeh –Reported by At-Tirmidhee (1992)] MPAC are demanding the leaders who BETRAY the Ummah - as the Prophet PBUH has clearly said be refused and denied any power within the Mosque - and yet you through emmotion - not malice would allow them to do exactly that. I have a lot of respect for you brother - but on this you are wrong. You cannot allow evil men to run any House of Allah. If men are killed or die for you love of bricks and mortar (the mosque structure) then remember the Hadith 'One drop of muslim blood is dearer to Allah then the Kabaa and all that surrounds it' mentioned in the article.
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2008-04-22 10:25:15
Alia:
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@Khaled: — RealityAnd the first of the MPACUK zombies, robot hypocrites has spoken! – & what do u know as expected with the usual deceptive methods used by their foot-solders to defecate on the minds of the Muslims and make them brain-dead: 1. Use emotion and try to make the opponent look as if he is guilty of the massacres of the Muslims??!!! 2. Tell ur opponent how dare he quotes Ayats and Hadith which go against MPACUK??!! 3. Tell ur opponent to follow the policies of MPACUK or shut up??!!! Oi Zombie do u know what Al-Wala’ wa’l-Bara’ is?? No didn’t think so! Stop waffling and buckle down – if u or any of the MPACUK cronies wish to justify ur actions – JUSTIFY it from an ISLAMIC position u heretics, this is not about what TJ do -– I flipping disagree with TJ on many issues – THIS IS PRECISELY ABOUT U ALLYING WITH APPOSTATES, KUFFAR AND HYPOCRITES AGAINST MUSLIMS – Got that!!! “You (O Muhammad SAW) will not find any people who believe in Allâh and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW ), even though they were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred (people).” (Al-Mujadilah 58:22) “O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies (i.e. disbelievers and polytheists, etc.) as friends, showing affection towards them……” (Al-Mumtahinah 60:1) “Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Auliyâ (supporters, helpers, etc.) instead of the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by Allâh in any way……..”(Aali Imran 3:28) What other policies which include allying with Neo-Cons/Zionists, hypocrites & apostates against Muslims do u have O MPACUK under ur sleeves in the near future?? When Allah Has Ordered the Believers to be allies to one another – in helping one another correcting one another, picking up one another when one falls, supporting one another and defending one another: “The believers, men and women, are Auliyâ' (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another, they enjoin (on the people) Al-Ma'rűf (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism and all that Islâm orders one to do), and forbid (people) from Al-Munkar (i.e. polytheism and disbelief of all kinds, and all that Islâm has forbidden); they perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât) and give the Zakât, and obey Allâh and His Messenger. Allâh will have His Mercy on them. Surely Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Wise.” (At-Tawbah 9:71) When the Messenger of Allah (saw) said: “A Muslim is the brother of another Muslim. He does not BETRAY HIM, nor does he lie to him, nor does he FROSAKE HIM. All of the Muslim to (another) Muslim is sacred – his honor, his wealth and his blood. Taqwaa (fear and obedience to Allaah) is right here [pointing to his chest]. It is enough evil for a person to look down upon his fellow Muslim.” [Saheeh –Reported by At-Tirmidhee (1992)] And the planned Masjid is not a Masjid u say u bunch of heretics??!!! U heretics I challenges u to provide one fatwa from any reputable Alim on the Globe today who stated this is not a Masjid or passed a fatwa stating the Planned Mega Mosque is regarded as Masjid Adh-Dhiraar – which mandates opposition to it and destroying it. And no – I don’t want any fatwas from “Ayatullah” Bukhari!! "Say, “Produce your proof if you are truthful.”" (Al-Baqarah, 111) Calm down Reality, you may have a point but its being lost because you are angry. Many people like me do not normally comment, but i felt i had too, because i might agree with you, but your comment needs to be more thought out. I dont like the fact that MPAC appear on a list of people who are anti Muslim, but yes i do agree that the Mosque Leaders are the worst people to ever run the house of Allah. Now we cant just let them carry on like this? - do you have a solution to stop them, have you contacted the mega mosque - please post what they had to say here, it would be interesting.
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2008-04-22 10:30:36
Galaxy:
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@reality
I am tired of you using islamic ayahs to push your agenda. You have put the mosque leaders on such a holy pedestal that u think they can do no wrong. I doubt you really think deeply abt the verses you use talking abt forsaking ones brother. Your idea of unity is associating yourselves with mosque leaders who dont know the first thing abt defending their brothers and sisters and your idea of forsaking is what u and ur mosque helpers have done to our brothers and sisters in Palestine. Just think how many Muslims you and ur mosque buddies have forsaken. And your posts are becoming too long winded.
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2008-04-22 10:55:40
ali akbar:
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@Khaled: — RealityWhat other policies which include allying with Neo-Cons/Zionists, hypocrites & apostates against Muslims do u have O MPACUK under ur sleeves in the near future?? O MPACUK? Love the use of language...O MPACUK, if we ignore your purposely using Islamic quotes out of context and applying them to the guys who are living by them and punishing the mosques leaders who do nothing while muslims die, but do everything to make their place in society..if we ignore that, using the phrase, OMPACUK...what an idiot.
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2008-04-22 12:03:49
EasyTalk:
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For those of you who missed the EasyTalk show last Saturday. Asghar Bukhari came on to explain why MPAC have signed their name to Alan Craig's page with the likes of Sufi Muslim Council, Taj Hargey & ed Hisain. The link is here: http://www.easy-talk.org/show/easytalk.xml
or http://www.easy-talk.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2886 - Click on Saturday 19th April.
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2008-04-22 12:32:21
K Cohen:
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Listen boys of Islam!
Israel is great! There is no such thing as Palestinian or Palestine, it is simply a made up word! I think Muslim leaders should all stay silent, because it helps us!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your leaders are so uneducated, even the Buddhist leaders outsmart your Muslim leaders. When Tibet was recently under attack, Buddhist leaders mobilised their people, but the Imam in your mosques drink tea with the local councillors "yes sir, no sir, Islam is peace"
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2008-04-22 13:01:02
Reality:
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@ Specifically to the “Trojan Horse” - MPACUK Hypocrites are u planning to answer the question or what?!: And the planned Masjid is not a Masjid u say u bunch of heretics??!!! U heretics I challenges u to provide one fatwa from any reputable Alim on the Globe today who stated this is not a Masjid or passed a fatwa stating the Planned Mega Mosque is regarded as Masjid Adh-Dhiraar – which mandates opposition to it and destroying it. And no – I don’t want any fatwas from “Ayatullah” Bukhari!! "Say, “Produce your proof if you are truthful.”" (Al-Baqarah, 111) @Rest The next deceptive methods used by their blind following sheep are: 4. Blur and cloud the precise issue being raised by ur opponent and swiftly hide it under the carpet by; 5. Fabricate, insinuate, collate and accuse ur opponent of supporting tyranny, oppression, injustice and that somehow is a supporter of the status quo of the current situation of the Muslims?! 6. Attack the character of ur opponent be it rightfully or wrongfully – “adab problems, angry, bad behavior etc (but keep silent about the manners of their supreme leader - the grand “Ayatullah” of MPACUK - the infallible -Asghar Bukhari!!)” 7. Belittle the use of referring back to and using evidence from the sources of Islam when trying to resolve disputes or differing on an issue paving the way to take the “Whims and Desires Strategy (WDS)” formulated by the “Tuqiya Department” of MPACUK supervised by the supreme leader of the council of MPAC the grand “Ayatullah” - the infallible - Zulfi Bukhari!! 8. and of course make takfir of ur opponent - that’s of course if u are one of the “Quranite” MPACUK members. In light of some of the comments left in regards to the specific nature of my previous posts –i.e. - harshness etc - I first would like to apologize to brother Khaled -I was insanely angry when typing them however I stress - in regards to specifically MPACUK they deserve everything they get - taste ur own medicine - u hypocrite fraudsters. What is amazing from the blind following sheep here is they can hunt 1001 mistakes in my posts but not discuss the precise issue raised which is allying with the enemies of Islam against Muslims!! Do u guys live on ivory towers with the Sufis or something?? Go around the community and all - out of fitrah will be horrified with the anti-Islamic actions of MPACUK. This is not about TJ, their flaws or polices and 2 wrongs does not make a right!! MPACUK has stepped the boundaries and the way I see it - its mask has fallen and the “Trojan Horse” is exposed - as it is. What kind of satanic group is going to strive against the establishment of a Masjid despite the problems of its committees, managements or deficiencies in its planned services + allying with the enemies of Islam on it!!! Al wala al Barra is a mandated manifestation and requirement from the belief in our Kalima - any group which readily allies itself with the enemies of Islam and especially against the building of a Masjid displays the treacherous foundation it is built upon. The only people who benefit in the LONG TERM in stopping the building of any Masjids are the staunch enemies of Allah and MPACUK shares their sentiments!! "O you who believe! Take no kaafirun as Awliya' instead of the Muminun. Do you wish to offer Allah a manifest proof against yourself? (An-Nisa 4:144)
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2008-04-22 17:40:55
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I would like the brothers/sisters to contemplate on the following: We Muslim in the west face a multi facetted threat - a sophisticated strategy formulated by policy makers and the powers that be to in effect change the very face of Islam - precisely to secularize it, change its values and principles and conform them to the whims, desires and approval of the those who are in authority - it is pursued on several fronts and by various methods - in the next 30 years in terms of demography their will be dramatic changes that will occur - our (Muslim) population in the UK, Europe and the western hemisphere will significantly sharply increase and in light of the reflection of the current Islamic resurgence amongst the youth of Islam returning and holding on to orthodoxy - this is precisely the threat hostile kuffar see - they hate to see an Islam that is strong were it adherents are holding onto the Deen as was Revealed to the Messenger of Allah couple together with being educated and affluent - which in consequence = power. The Masjids in all of this are a pivotal issue - currently most them are without a doubt are run by the elders who's Islam is diluted with un-Islamic culture and traditions, who hold a rudimentary view of the world and are from uneducated backgrounds but on a local level on the grass-roots in probably in most communities due to the increasing level of YOUTH practicing Islam and following a more orthodox Islam filtered from un-Islamic culture and traditions - are entering the scene in running the affairs of the Masjids which will inevitably cause change - all these elders of the committees who hold onto power are all in their 60's, 70's and even 80's - the inevitable outcome in the next decade or so is a total transformation of the Masjids when more and more born and bred practicing Muslims of the UK take positions to run the affairs of the community - the problem for the enemies of Islam is - these Muslims will follow a version of Islam not to their liking - and this is precisely it. The agenda that are some are trying to pursue will eventually in the long term lead to government control of Masjids, its imams - all in order to spread a heretic secularist version of “Izlaam” amongst the community - right now we even hear talk of welcoming government involvement on training imams and Masjids on "democracy" - oh yes that flash ambiguous slogan - is it not the same one the kuffar use to invade Muslim land and kill Muslims?! One must ask why the sudden haste and fast-tracking calls for Masjid reforms and changes – and what are the precise changes proposed – what do they entail for the future? Behind the slogans & the rhetoric there is an agenda - and for those Muslims who fail to weigh the benefits and harms, to see the long term and get swayed away by short term successes - "oh wicked the BBC have changed their headline, Oh excellent the Evening Standard has apologized, or fantastic we got rid of 1 MP who supports Zionism" - are the ones who are sticking their heads in the sand and inviting trouble. I advice all those brothers here who belong or are affiliated to GRASS-ROOT organizations to get their flipping leaders act together and co-operate with one another in establishing a lobby - campaign to get the Muslim community behind it and capture these deeds (media Jihad, lobbying etc) from the fraudsters – MPACUK and their hidden agenda – send them packing back to their ivory towers were they came from.
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2008-04-22 17:41:39
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As a non-Muslim I'm hesitant to get involved here, but it does seem to me that MPAC's position on this issue is highly sectarian and politically irresponsible.
The Abbey Mills Mosque has been the object of a hysterical campaign by the BNP and others, notably Alan Craig the right-wing evangelical Christian candidate for mayor of London, who has placed the supposed threat from the "mega-mosque" at the centre of his campaign. Craig has issued scaremongering and wildly inaccurate press releases claiming for example that Tablighi Jamaat are involved in terrorism and that the mosque would represent a security threat. It isn't just TJ who are on the receiving end of this campaign. It feeds into an Islamophobic discourse that depicts British Muslims as an alien force in "our" midst, a danger to "Christian civilisation", and serves to legitimise hatred and bigotry against the entire Muslim community. In order to deflect accusations of inciting anti-Muslim hatred, Craig makes much of the fact that some Muslim organisations are also opposed to the Abbey Mills mosque. He cites MPAC alongside the Sufi Muslim Council and the so-called Center for Islamic Pluralism, which was launched with the assistance of Daniel Pipes. Doesn't MPAC feel the slightest sense of embarrassment at being cited by Craig alongside appalling neocon outfits like these? I mean, even the Minhaj-ul-Quran mosque in Forest Gate, which initially protested against the plans, appears to have abandoned public opposition - presumably because it doesn't want to be implicated in an anti-Muslim witch-hunt. As for the report that TJ activists have been handing out leaflets for Ken Livingstone, given TJ's traditional dogmatic opposition to political involvement isn't this a positive development that should be welcomed, particularly by an organisation like MPACUK who have rightly campaigned for the Muslim community to engage with the political process?
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2008-04-22 21:44:09
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Part 2: — RealityI would like the brothers/sisters to contemplate on the following: We Muslim in the west face a multi facetted threat - a sophisticated strategy formulated by policy makers and the powers that be to in effect change the very face of Islam - precisely to secularize it, change its values and principles and conform them to the whims, desires and approval of the those who are in authority - it is pursued on several fronts and by various methods - in the next 30 years in terms of demography their will be dramatic changes that will occur - our (Muslim) population in the UK, Europe and the western hemisphere will significantly sharply increase and in light of the reflection of the current Islamic resurgence amongst the youth of Islam returning and holding on to orthodoxy - this is precisely the threat hostile kuffar see - they hate to see an Islam that is strong were it adherents are holding onto the Deen as was Revealed to the Messenger of Allah couple together with being educated and affluent - which in consequence = power. Behind the slogans & the rhetoric there is an agenda - and for those Muslims who fail to weigh the benefits and harms, to see the long term and get swayed away by short term successes - "oh wicked the BBC have changed their headline, Oh excellent the Evening Standard has apologized, or fantastic we got rid of 1 MP who supports Zionism" - are the ones who are sticking their heads in the sand and inviting trouble. I advice all those brothers here who belong or are affiliated to GRASS-ROOT organizations to get their flipping leaders act together and co-operate with one another in establishing a lobby - campaign to get the Muslim community behind it and capture these deeds (media Jihad, lobbying etc) from the fraudsters – MPACUK and their hidden agenda – send them packing back to their ivory towers were they came from. Good post and well made points, however it seems to m the only difference between you and MPAC are that you have different tactics to get to the same conclusion - forcing our leaders to do something for the community. I think there is more common ground between you then you think, and i hope that you will both make an effort to come to an understanding since all our goal is the same. The protection of the Ummah against a giant zionist enemy. ps dont fall into the sectarian trap - its what the zionists are waiting for. Leave the matters of difference and work on what we have in common.
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2008-04-22 22:25:29
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As a non-Muslim I'm hesitant to get involved here, but it does seem to me that MPAC's position on this issue is highly sectarian and politically irresponsible. — MartinThe Abbey Mills Mosque has been the object of a hysterical campaign by the BNP and others, notably Alan Craig the right-wing evangelical Christian candidate for mayor of London, who has placed the supposed threat from the "mega-mosque" at the centre of his campaign. Craig has issued scaremongering and wildly inaccurate press releases claiming for example that Tablighi Jamaat are involved in terrorism and that the mosque would represent a security threat. It isn't just TJ who are on the receiving end of this campaign. It feeds into an Islamophobic discourse that depicts British Muslims as an alien force in "our" midst, a danger to "Christian civilisation", and serves to legitimise hatred and bigotry against the entire Muslim community. In order to deflect accusations of inciting anti-Muslim hatred, Craig makes much of the fact that some Muslim organisations are also opposed to the Abbey Mills mosque. He cites MPAC alongside the Sufi Muslim Council and the so-called Center for Islamic Pluralism, which was launched with the assistance of Daniel Pipes. Doesn't MPAC feel the slightest sense of embarrassment at being cited by Craig alongside appalling neocon outfits like these? I mean, even the Minhaj-ul-Quran mosque in Forest Gate, which initially protested against the plans, appears to have abandoned public opposition - presumably because it doesn't want to be implicated in an anti-Muslim witch-hunt. As for the report that TJ activists have been handing out leaflets for Ken Livingstone, given TJ's traditional dogmatic opposition to political involvement isn't this a positive development that should be welcomed, particularly by an organisation like MPACUK who have rightly campaigned for the Muslim community to engage with the political process?
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2008-04-23 11:42:58
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"MPACUK is a non-profit making organisation working with the community, helping Muslims to help themselves.... MPACUK's first mission was to fight the bias in the media and to re-dress the balance...MPACUK are aiming to bring the community together, disunity among Muslims has been our biggest downfall in recent years."
Maybe you should consider re-writing your About Us page/ Mission Statement? This article is disgraceful, lacks research, substance and is certainly not helpful for the Muslim community. You should be ashamed, you don’t represent a community you represent your own clearly bias opinion!
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2008-04-24 10:02:01
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"MPACUK is a non-profit making organisation working with the community, helping Muslims to help themselves.... MPACUK's first mission was to fight the bias in the media and to re-dress the balance...MPACUK are aiming to bring the community together, disunity among Muslims has been our biggest downfall in recent years." — PizaUKMaybe you should consider re-writing your About Us page/ Mission Statement? This article is disgraceful, lacks research, substance and is certainly not helpful for the Muslim community. You should be ashamed, you don’t represent a community you represent your own clearly bias opinion! its like you just stuck random comment when u were upset ..err wot can i say ...errr they havent done no reseach....duh,.,,,,, lol purleeeeeeeeeeeeeze!
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2008-04-24 10:10:48
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We had a call from a respected Muslim Leader and reader of this site - Dr Sufi, president of the Islamic Association of North London who was unhappy with the use of the word hypocrite in the title. He assumed it was being used in the Quranic form of being a munafiq. MPACUK were not using the term in this context but in the more widely used context of a person or group of people who say one thing and do another as is clear in the article.
