| Why Are So Many Practicing Muslims Violent Thugs? |
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| Wednesday, 16 April 2008 | |
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Of course all practicing Muslims are not like this, but most of them are, if they are not violent themselves, they allow violence within their ranks without totally condemning it. Thus it's almost allowed to continue unchecked.
As a member of MPACUK it’s my job to go out there and convince people to get active for the Ummah. So I meet more Muslims from different groups, sects and backgrounds than the average Muslim Joe, who attends his local circle and nothing more.
So I say with real first hand experience, that there are more thugs in practicing Muslim circles then I have ever met in any truly religious circles (barring Zionist Christians and Zionist Jews). This should shock the reader, as a practicing Muslims should live like the Prophet PBUH and observe the same manners and conduct, and yet non-Muslims are more often far better in speech and manners than any of these people who claim to follow his example.
Proof to me that all his knowledge and fraudulent act of piety was nothing more than a sham – instantly changing from a so-called Muslim to a crazed BNP thug.
I could go on and on. A Salafi ignorant practicing thug got upset that an MPACUK brother was giving out leaflets against Zionist Boris Johnson, because the MPACUK brother did not have a beard and there was an image of Boris on the leaflet which he claimed "led to shirk".
Never would you have seen Christians act like this outside a church. We can't deny it, how can they act so piously – and we act like a bunch of uneducated illiterate thugs? If Islam was not to blame – then Muslims must be.
Unable to find a logical and solid argument against me, the committee member said to me "If you tried to come to my mosque I would break your neck" and stormed off. Readers have left 21 comments.
Nozmul Hussain:
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your opening paragraph - what a pile of offensive crap!! typical MPAC think you are above and know better than everyone else, people probably act thuggish with you because of the way you talk to them. I havn't checked this site in a while, will be a long time before i do again...
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2008-04-17 04:46:50
David:
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I think what worries me, as a non-muslim, is this. Where do these people the writer complains about get these violent ideas from? And why do they think their religion allows or justifies violence?
You see a lot of non-muslims think that islam itself is anything but a religion of peace - that islam leads to violence and violence is justified by islam. I think you need to go through the koran and all the other islamic texts and pinpoint all the parts leading people to violence and remove them. But you can't, can you, cos these parts are given directly by your sky god!!! folks, if you must be religious then i would suggest you choose a better, a more ethical religion, one that actually is based on peace and love. (And I am an atheist, btw)
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2008-04-17 07:40:05
CrazyFrog:
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And why does this surprise you? Have you not read the forums.... these people are idiots. Mad.
Oh no! I just criticised Islam. Please please please don't file me under "Islamophobe'.
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2008-04-17 08:51:07
kermit:
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its funny but you know the difference between a mosque and a palace to a mans ego.
the committee member said if you had come to my mosque...I would have broken your neck' I thougt all mosques where the House of Allah?
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2008-04-17 09:17:38
dude:
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There's nothing wrong with being a practising muslim (i think i am one)- all of us should be. Theres nothing wrong with having a beard (i have one)- its the sunnah of Muhammad (SAW).
I do have a problem as the article pointed out with to so called "practising" muslims - these idiots give islam a very bad name. they lack character and good manners. very good article - in line with what i feel.
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2008-04-17 09:52:01
shan:
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Sorry to say but this article is way of the mark.
muslims who practise their religion fully are not violent or brutish as implied by this article. the article should have been why is that loud mouthed badge wearing muslims turn out to be thuggish in the attitudes, that one is simple they are most likely recovering from violent lives they have been leading. it takes time to become the refined human being that islams aim is to create.
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2008-04-17 10:22:06
Tahira:
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your opening paragraph - what a pile of offensive crap!! typical MPAC think you are above and know better than everyone else, people probably act thuggish with you because of the way you talk to them. I havn't checked this site in a while, will be a long time before i do again... — Nozmul HussainSo it's ok to threaten violence cos you don't like the way someone debates with you? Typical apolgist for violent thugs - it's like a violent husband who says his wife had it coming to her!
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2008-04-17 11:01:38
Barbarossa:
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your opening paragraph - what a pile of offensive crap!! typical MPAC think you are above and know better than everyone else, people probably act thuggish with you because of the way you talk to them. I havn't checked this site in a while, will be a long time before i do again... — Nozmul HussainIs there something wrong with you that you cannot understand that our leaders are violent - calling it 'crap' - does not make it incorrect. If these people run our Mosques and are violent - we need to challenge them - and then change them. Enjoin the right and forbid the wrong - DONT DENY and HIDE THE WRONG - as you seem to be doing. Being upset with the messenger of bad news is not solving the problem. i can see nothing wrong with asking the best Muslim to run the mosque rather then the the most vile ignorant thug? why are you so upset - please state your case.
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2008-04-17 11:52:21
Barbarossa:
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I think what worries me, as a non-muslim, is this. Where do these people the writer complains about get these violent ideas from? And why do they think their religion allows or justifies violence? — DavidYou see a lot of non-muslims think that islam itself is anything but a religion of peace - that islam leads to violence and violence is justified by islam. I think you need to go through the koran and all the other islamic texts and pinpoint all the parts leading people to violence and remove them. But you can't, can you, cos these parts are given directly by your sky god!!! folks, if you must be religious then i would suggest you choose a better, a more ethical religion, one that actually is based on peace and love. (And I am an atheist, btw) Your a ZioNazi - and i think you will find the article says clearly that the ZioNazi's are worse then practicing Muslims thugs - who at least have never killed children and live here in the UK.
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2008-04-17 11:57:24
m:
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so david is a zionazi barbarossa..do you make these names up especially for people who dont agree with you..I suppose you are one of those people who think the world is run by jews..every religion has its bad apples even islam..i suppose i will be called a nazi now..
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2008-04-17 13:46:55
khaled:
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this article has most likely been the worst article mpac have posted
i used to visit the site regularly but it seems you have muslim opposers writing your articles. maybe you should try thinking positively do you not think its bad enough that majority of media brand Islam a violent religion and then you go confirm this as a responsible representative of british muslims i feel dissappointed with mpac
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2008-04-17 13:51:23
Barbarossa:
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so david is a zionazi barbarossa..do you make these names up especially for people who dont agree with you..I suppose you are one of those people who think the world is run by jews..every religion has its bad apples even islam..i suppose i will be called a nazi now.. — mLooks like the israeli gang member is alluding to anti semitism - the easiest way to shut down any debate about zionists and their racist state. I dont think i can be lectured on anti semitism by a Islamaphobe like you. :) Two can play at that game ;)
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2008-04-17 15:19:21
ali akbar:
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i agree with the article,
and I agree with the comments exposing the zio nazies. i dont see the big issue?
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2008-04-17 17:02:36
Mosaddique:
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Who is the Author of this article? Why does the article not say who has authored it? Anonymously authored articles lack credibility and should NOT be taken seriously.
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2008-04-17 22:06:46
Arif:
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muslims in this country need to be open and honest about problems in the community. sticking heads into the sand is not working as the daily hatred in the media proves.
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2008-04-18 11:54:28
Sultan (in Oxford):
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Assalaam walaikum and Greetings
Personnally, I think the title should have been headlined as "TRUE Practicing Muslims do not act like thugs". I feel that the problem with most Muslims of today is that they cannot tolerate any form of criticism, even if it is 'constructive criticism', which is interesting as they are the ones making a great show that they are the only practicing Muslims. They are also the ones who go out of their way to preach that Islam is a religion of Peace and Tolerance. The mindset of a typical Muslim of today is that he/she feels what they are doing is correct and how dare anyone else point out to them the errors of their ways. They feel that somehow, any criticism or recommendations will shatter their egos or their upstanding position in the Communities. Most of their 'flock' (followers) do not speakup either because they are perfectly happy with the status quo (the villagers being led by the villager, or "the blind leading the blind") or they fear being outcast if they spoke up. So, no changes take place. This is in sharp contrast to the pious Muslims of the past where they would be more than welcome for someone to point out any faults that they had, to point out any errors in their judgements, so that they could correct such issues in order to become a better Muslim. For themselves and for the sake of other Muslims. Such pious Muslims were also not afraid to apologise or say that they were wrong in front of anyone, and would often thank the individuals for pointing out their failures. A case in point being the Caliph Umar (RA). Umar as a Caliph was confronted by a woman right inside the mosque about one of the proposals of Umar about limiting Mahr (dowry - from men to women). When the woman charged Umar that he had no right to fix or limit something regarding women's rights that the Qur'an has not limited, Umar publicly admitted that he was wrong and that the woman was right. Sadly, you will not find many 'leaders' or Islamic Teachers of this Calibre. The time when we have leaders such as this, is the time when Muslims will be happy and the world will know that Islam really does mean 'peace and tolerance'. Unfortunately, this is a dream unless accountability takes place and we only allow Leaders who deserve to be there. QUE the likes of MPAC and other concerned Muslims. As it presently stands, Muslims who appear to be 'practicing Muslims' and then act like 'thugs' (as in the article), have no right to tell anyone that they practice Islam since this is not the true Islam as I understand it. Such Muslims not only tarnish the image of Islam and Muslims, among the non-Muslims. They also make the good Muslims resent going into such Mosques and keep finding themselves in a postion to having to repeatidly apologise for the conduct of the stupid few. No one likes criticism, we are afterall Human Beings subject to anger. That is, we are not Angels. But a real practicing Muslim would never act like a thug, do physical violence or threaten or harass anyone. A real practicing Muslim would be careful what they said and would always worry about their accountability and whether they have harmed anyone with their tongues and actions. Looking like a Muslim is easy : Beard, White clothes and short trousers for the men. Hijabb/Jilbaab for the women. Speaking like a Mulsim is easy : Few HADITH and QURAN quotes here and there. Acting like a Muslim is hard : This is where we fail. JUMMAH MUBARAK Wasalaams and Regards
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2008-04-18 15:54:22
ali akbar:
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Who is the Author of this article? Why does the article not say who has authored it? Anonymously authored articles lack credibility and should NOT be taken seriously. — Mosaddiquetell that to the economist. the article is true. if practising muslims don't like to be exposed for being violent thugs then maybe they should behave with adab when they are challenged. oh i get it, blame the messenger...
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2008-04-18 16:11:19
Miss Queue:
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Well done MPAC!
Only, you should have gone a bit further, and said outright that these thugs are NOT Muslims. They are the BNP of the Ummah. And like the Union Flag which had been hijacked by the BNP, and has now been re-claimed by decent Britons, it's time we re-claimed Islam from these in-bred 'sheikh-worshippers'. The screech and howl: "Beard is 'Sunnah'", "Beard is 'Sunnah'", but forget that it is/was a 'cultural' practice and has no sanction whatsoever in the Quraan. If you want a beard, have it -- but don't go around saying it's because of your religion. We DON'T want these 7th Century buffoons in Britain! End of! Time to impose 'Jizia' on all thug-Mosques, and on all Mosques who don't allow women equal say and access.
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2008-04-18 18:47:38
altaf:
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For the non muslims to criticise islam is rich coming from a people who are silent when it comes to israeli and western war crimes who have killed more men,women and children then saddam and al queeda ever did. Bush,Blair,Brown,Olmert are not muslims i'm afraid.
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2008-04-18 23:39:28
Anon:
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Who is the Author of this article? Why does the article not say who has authored it? Anonymously authored articles lack credibility and should NOT be taken seriously. — MosaddiqueWhat does it matter? Its the truth isnt it.
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2008-04-19 20:35:54
kafur:
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Muslims are all psychotic.
There is no peace and love in Islam only fear...fear of Hell..... how can you live a life in fear of going to hell? They are BOUND to snap and become violent... doesnt take a psychiatrist to see that. You just need Jesus..... no more fear.....
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2008-05-04 18:27:47
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I know a Muslim is very likely to be a member of a brainwashed cult as soon as they call themselves ‘practicing’. What I mean by that is they will have been almost totally pacified by some group or other that taught them an Islam without priorities, they will talk endlessly about trouser length, beard length, the miracles of honey, the correct dress code, and every single issue until it comes down to what they can practically do to protect the oppressed and enjoin justice, it's at this point the brainwashed but sincere member of the cult gets confused and says something dumb like ‘bruvva Islam is a whole, I have to perfect myself first bruvva’. 










