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Saladin: Fanatics Training Camp Is Not A School! Print E-mail
Friday, 07 March 2008
yeshivat_mercaz_harav_170px.jpg I will never forget when I spoke to a prominent member of Minhaj-Ul-Quran in an Islam Channel show down between the Mosques and MPACUK; his words still ring in my ears. When I pointed out that 2000 Mosque Leaders in Britain had done nothing for Palestine, he retorted what has MPAC done? (Which if you think about it, means he was unknowingly admitting I was right since instead of answering that the Mosques had done this or that, he tried to get out of the obvious answer and go on the offensive and ask instead ‘what has MPAC done.) When I told him that MPAC has launched a successful campaign to stop the BBC claiming the capital of Israel was ‘Jerusalem’ he replied ‘Brother it’s just a word, so what if you had a word changed’. He was a not an uneducated taxi driver - He was a lawyer.

Such is the level of training by all Muslim groups in Britain, such do they focus on minor issues from trouser length to kissing of the fingers after the Prophets PBUH name that even their most intelligent members had no idea how ‘words’ were the very weapons that the enemies of Islam were using to turn the world against us. Even if they were intelligent enough to know it – they didn’t know how to use them.

Words are tools, more powerful then swords. If Muslim groups had taught this instead of wasting our time with every minor point of fiqh, we would have been able to communicate to the wider non Muslim community and also stop the subtle as well as the blatant propaganda being waged against us every single day.

Yesterday the Israeli’s fed the world media the line, “A Palestinian had shot 8 people dead in a school”. One word made all the difference. In the worlds eyes a ‘school’ was full of school children. Thus the Palestinian man had gunned down ‘school children’.

It was with some surprise then that we read a post on our own forum by a respected member calling himself ‘Saladin’ (a name well deserved for this particular member).

Not only did the respected brother have the presence of mind to instantly do his research on the so called ‘school’ but found the members of the establishment were adult religious fanatics who were training to join the Israeli defense force.

MPACUK would like to say, this is the type of Muslim we need in the Ummah, an ALERT active and one who is ever watchful for the enemies plans and plots. In the time of the Prophet PBUH they were called ‘thagarah’ which in short means ‘sentry’ or guardian on the borders watching out for danger. Now days most scholars create pacified Muslims, more interested in debating about minor points then being sentry’s for the Ummah. Its time to challenge these pacified old men who claim they are scholars or Imams or so called 'emirs' at our universities, and demand they teach us to wake up and teach us the importance of protecting the Ummah and most importantly how.
"The BBC's Middle East editor Jeremy Bowen says that the school was no ordinary seminary. It was the ideological cradle of the settler movement in the West Bank, which could be the reason it was targeted.

Many of its students are on special courses that combine religious study with service in combat units in the Israeli army.

Our editor says that those who gathered at the seminary ahead of the victims' funerals were people who were already opposed to Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's decision to engage in talks with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

This incident will only make stronger their determination to stop any agreements going through, our editor says."

Quote Source: BBC NEWS WEBSITE

Saladin’s post below:


Yesterday 8 Adult IDF listed racist settlers who steal Palestinian land where shot.

Yet all over the forums we have Zionists and their supporters claiming that a Palestinian massacred 8 Israeli children in a school.

Well here are the facts from the "schools" website.

"Mercaz HaRav, through its students, has made its influence felt in all spheres of Jewish life in Eretz Yisrael and in the Diaspora. The Yeshiva’s graduates serve as Rabbis and Dayanim (Rabbinical Judges) in the cities and development towns, settlements and border villages of Israel. They serve faithfully and with devotion in the various corps of the Israeli Defense forces."


Source: http://forum.mpacuk.org
Readers have left 8 comments.
Taz: Quote

It is time to talk to Hamas. Israel and the US have failed to win the moral argument.
(1) 2008-03-07 19:08:16
Colin: Quote

So, MAPC, do you have no objection in principle to gunmen targetting schools or colleges of different religious persuasions that have a cadet force? Or is it OK only only for Jewish colleges? Aren't you a little worried about tit-for-tat?
(2) 2008-03-07 21:24:51
qasam: Quote

Hey
i totally agree with the article, and yeas i gathered the information about this "school" quite early on, i think of al jazeera tv bu im not sure. I think it myt even have been bbc surprise surprise.

I just wanted to say, im sure you could make the smae point, which i totally agree with, witout belittling aspects of our faith.

Im sure kissing of the hands and trousers length is not important in this context, but in a muslims personal prayers im sure it does have importance.

Why cant you just make the same point using a different point.
At the end of the day, i wouldnt want to be calling any sunnah of the prophet PBUH unimportant.

i totally get the point your making and agree 100%, these issues are not relevant in this context........

but personally i find them important.
i think its bad adab towards the sunna of the Prophet PBUH and mite put some people of the main point your making.
(3) 2008-03-08 00:03:52
Froduch: Quote

Colin:

I don't remember you saying anything when the US bombed alleged terrorist schools in Pakistan? Or does it only bother you when self proclaimed self zionists are killed?
(4) 2008-03-08 00:32:29
Yakoub: Quote

Perhaps you should have asked this lawyer about the slap up feast MUQ-UK organised for the spiritual head of the Sufi Muslim Council, who appears on the SMC website shaking Jack Straw's hand (a website that also praises Tony Bliar and has links to the Neocon Hudson Institute). A lawyer who thinks words insignificant!? He must have trouble getting work with that attitude!!
(5) 2008-03-08 07:25:29
Athena: Quote

"I don't remember you saying anything when the US bombed alleged terrorist schools in Pakistan? Or does it only bother you when self proclaimed self zionists are killed?"

Yes, because the two are really on a par, aren't they? On the one hand are poor, oppressed, desperate people who have nothing and on the other is the world's superpower that is armed to the teeth and hellbent on dominating the world and its resources - killing over a million people in a matter of years while labelling anyone getting in their way as 'terrorists'. I pity you if you cannot see how deranged that comparison is.
(6) 2008-03-08 19:11:23
William: Quote

Your combine blind hatred with moronic illiteracy. Look up the word "graduate". I think you'll find it means people who have already left the school. Still, killing BY Muslims is always justified, eh?
(7) 2008-03-10 15:28:48
yunus: Quote

15 and 16 year olds, a 17, 18 and 26 year old are fair game? when palestinians this age (under 18) are killed - the press screams "israelis kill CHILDREN!!!" double standard. we will fight you when you try to kill us, make no mistake - your islamic muqawama has grown too big for itself - we will defend ourselves from murderers!
(8) 2008-03-11 08:36:13
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