say it loud Hook. inspirational and a great rant.

I say lets burn the mosques and kill the maulvi's...and for good luck massacre the parents and children. simple solution to a complex problem.

Ok Imam Imad - or we could simply kick them out and get brave and intelligent men willing to protect and uplift our community in their place?

Just a thought - all that burning and killing puts me off my dinner.

Don't be a drama queen Imam Imad, The system is in quite a drastic need of Islamic reform and you can't deny that.

The thing is THE ISRAELIS ARE ALREADY KILLING MAULVIS AND MASSACCARING WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

What are you doing or encouraging others to do to help stop this genocide by Zionists?

You think Allah just want's you to say a little prayer every friday for them WHILE tanks and armed helicopters are shooting them down?

Don't you think it is importanat to be putting pressure on your MP by getting your congregation to speak to him / her and write in telling them to condemn the agression of the murderous Israel?

Don't you think you should be asking for the UK to put sanctions on Israel and send in UN Peace keepers to control the borders there?

Or are you happy with your defeatist complacent attitude and more worried about contacting your MP for gaining planning permission to extend your mosque or to get your relatives a visa?

Maybe a little melodramatic from The Hook, but true words, nonetheless.

We really need to change the Mosques/Madrassahs so that they beocme a shining beacon in the darkness of despair.

Oi MPACUK! Why don't u build a mosque of your own and show the rest how it's done ?!

Assalaam walaikum and Greetings

The reasons why Mosques are failing us (or Children and the young) are very clear.

They are run (mostly) by individuals who have no real credentials to run the House of Allah.

Do we allow, or is it even possible, for a person to teach our children in State or Private Schools when that person have no (or very little) qualifications. NO !

Do we allow, or is it even possible, for a failed teacher (or one who has a criminal record) to teach our children in Schools. NO !

Yet, we Muslims permit (mainly) such 'elders' to run our Mosques. We allow such 'elders' to run the Mosques in the same fashion that they run Mosques 'back-home' in their villages. WHY ???

In my Mosque, there are members of the committee who have led dubious lives when they were young, and continue to do so even today. Such 'respected' elders of the Mosque committee claim benefits when they are private landlords themselves, commit fraud, break promises, etc, etc. One respected' elder spent time in jail on benefit and immigration fraud but he still influences the Mosque committes decision because he has over 50 houses. BUT HEY, they are our "elders" and they deserve our "respect" because they are old and have a beard and we young cannot comment on what they are doing wrong because it becomes "disrespectful" to speak up about elders.

What happened to speaking up for the truth ?

When the time comes, Inshallah, when being a member of the Mosque requires a person to have formal and professional qualifications, is the day when (perhaps) a Mosque becomes the sort of environment that we desire. A source of learning, community-cohesion, interfaith dialogue, support, etc. and not purely a place of worship.

Or, when there is accountability within Mosques that these are the targets they need to achieve.

As long as people are voted onto Mosque committees based upon 'this is my friend or relation', or 'he has 50 houses' then we will continue to have such problems. Mosques should and must not be run by people who do not deserve to be there because they have no qualifications.

With respect to whether it is the parents or the Mosques responsibility to teach Islam, I have to say that BOTH parents and the Mosque have responsibilities, and it is no point in saying that parents or the Mosque should be the sole source of Islamic Teachings.

Parents should teach the Children Islam, and conduct the life within their houses according to Islam. The Mosques should then consolidate what the parents are teaching their children.

To say it is the sole responsibility of the parent to teach Islam, is wrong. A Mosque should be a place for further learning.

To say that it is the sole responsibility of a Mosque to teach Islam, is also wrong. Parents should practice themselves (at home) what they expect a Mosque to teach their children. No point in sending our children to a Mosque, while the parents watch Indian films back home.

Wasalaams and kind regards

As Salaamu alaikum
Where I live we were surrounded by the mosques simillar to what is being described in the article. Then a group of brothers and sisters decided to do something about it. They opened a mosque that was outward looking, untraditional and willing to promote a profesional approached.

Their madrassah has a good curriculum, teaching children about the real world. They then opened a full time school where pupils are taught the true character of a Muslim, whilst achieving excellent academic results.

It (the mosque) is currently producing a vision document together with respected individuals in the community for 20 years time on the state and contribution of the muslims to their borough and how to achieve this. The public (both Muslims and non-Muslims) have contributed to the findings.

Slowly the other mosques are realising that they need to change and come on board. When will they finally change? Who knows, but it is happening.

But at least there are some children in the area that are being taught about their roles as Muslims in the UK. And will be better equiped (insha Allaah) than my generation taught in the traditional madrassahs.

Mosques, schools, parents and groups like MPAC working together. This is the way forward, not lynching mobs.

good points badly made.

Mosques need reforming and unless Muslims put pressure on them to reform tehy won't. ANd this article remains anonymous and therefore other then a rant that highlights certain home truths it is uneffective.

Name and Shame them and say who you are, at least that way, they are forced to confront the issue and solve it. rather then think its someone elses problem.

You guys are a waste of time. You're a bunch of e-muslims, typing away thinking you are changing the world.

Go and set up a madrassah yourself. Stop complaining - do something useful instead.

The Mosque and Madrassah have their problems and we need to all work together to improve them.

I would like to thank those people who try to set up mosques, those people who try to set up madrassahs, who teach tens of thousands of children how to read quran, pray, fast and introduce them to Islam as best they can. Yes they need improvements.

OH BY THE WAY IF ANY OF YOU ARE WONDERING WHAT THE AUTHOR OF THAT ABOVE ABUSE AT MUSLIMS DOES .........WELL HE SPENDS HIS TIME CHASE MONEY AND BUSINESS.

LIKE MPAC HE HAS SET UP ZERO MOSQUES AND ZERO MADRASSAHS......BECAUSE FOR THE HOOK 'there is no money in it bruv!'

I suggest the big mouths who complain all day about other peoples projects SHOW US HOW IT IS DONE.

THERE ARE MUSLIMS WHO DISAGREE WITH THE QUALITY OF MADRASSA EDUCATION..........AND GUESS WHAT THEY DID..........THEY FOUND GOOD TEACHERS AND SET UP A MADRASSA....MASHALLAH!!!

The Hook and Mpac are teaching people about adab?? really and calling Muslims Maggots???
Masaajids are the houses of Allah, and the Hook took time out of his busy schedule making lots of money for himself to TELL US THAT THEY ARE FULL OF MAGGOTS!!!

CLEARLY YOU DIDNT DO A GREAT JOB TEACHING YOURSELF THE RELIGION!!

MPAC WHEN ARE YOU PEOPLE GOING TO GROW UP?
I MEAN WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO STOP THIS TABLOID CRAP??
AND START AN INTELLECTUAL DEBATE AND PROVIDE PRACTICAL SOLUTIONS.

Forgive me but a lot of what you are saying does not acutally make sense? And for someone who does not want tabloid crap as you say - well have you read the style of your own comment???

The main thrust of your argument is 'if you dont like it - build your own' - how is that either going to solve the problem and how is it the Islamic way?

Instead of enjoining the right and forbidding the wrong - you say 'leave it rotten' and go and do it elsewhere?

Surely then the Prophet PBUH should have just left Mecca in the state it was in? Hey lets not solve the problem, forbid the wrong, lets leave the wrong just there and build another place???

Would we then have to build another 2000 Mosques around the UK becuase the current leaders are so corrupt or cowardly or down right stupid? - instead of just demanding a better leadership?

I can soo your passionate - but its seems more like your involved or taught to like the Mosque leaders and NOT because you have a reasonable and rationale argument.