I have a lot of respect for MPAC and it members, they do an important task and God will reward them for it. Nobody is perfect, and therefore no one can be in a position to judge another, that is for God, if someones shortcoming is he does not keep a beard, who is anyone to use that as a reason for him to stop doing a good thing, besides the Prophets, everyone is a sinner, so on that basis should no one do anything good.
As for women being involved in political demonstrations being immodest, what is then to be said of the mother of the believers Sayyida Aisha may God be pleased with her. During the political turmoil in the time of Sayiduna Ali may God be pleased with him the mother of the believers participated and in fact led a battle for what she judged to be correct, it is the responsibility of all to be active.
Mpacuk has made mistakes but they are accountable. A few months a go an article was written about, amongst other things, sufis and many felt it to be unbalanced. Though Mpacuk did not actually accept that it was or offer an apology as was requested, since then when sufis have been criticised it has been in a balanced way as I said no one is perfect, mistakes are made by all.
I pray Allah gives MPACUK the strength and courage to keep striving in his way, that they never become arrogant from their success, remain open to criticism, that he give tham the best in this world and the next.

erm……have I missed something? - What brought you to write this article?

Be “principle” based and just get on with it – hence I wouldn’t advice writing articles such as this – seeking unnecessary sympathy and attention from the comments left by brothers/sisters– “reassuring” yourselves - it makes you look weak.

Always remember the attitude of the Muslim is to always work for the Sake of Allah – seeking His Pleasure Alone and never fear the Blame of the Blamers.

“O you who believe! Whoever from among you turns back from his religion (Islâm), Allâh will bring a people whom He will love and they will love Him; humble towards the believers, stern towards the disbelievers, fighting in the Way of Allâh, and never afraid of the blame of the blamers. That is the Grace of Allâh which He bestows on whom He wills. And Allâh is All¬Sufficient for His creatures' needs, All¬Knower.” (Al-Ma'idah 5:54)

This plea for sympathy is addressed at who? The content of this should be part of a Dua to Allah (SWT) and not addressed at people. What does this do for your claim.

The ignorant (or malintended) approach is not Allah (SWT)'s cause it is pure ranting. You think that attacking Israel will endear you to Muslims while at the same time to work to undermine us Muslims and our institutions.

Excellent MPAC.

It's a pity you felt you had to post this note.

However, it is understandable. The stark reality is that we ARE in the land of non-Muslims (indeed they are not even 'People of the Book', but are out and out pagans). Why have they not thrown us out? Why are they not stopping more of us coming in? Why do they allow mosques to be built in their land of drinking/eating pork/gambling/public nudity/gay marriages etc? Why do they allow us to vote?

It is a world completely different to what has historically been faced by the Ummah.

If we are going to live here, we have to live with pagans; live alongside the wanton flaunting of sex. We cannot shrink into a muslim 'eruv' and pretend that the pagan hurly burly all around us doesn't actually exist. It is all very real.

The Quraan and the Sunnah do not contain any guidance for such a situation, i.e. for living WITH/ALONGSIDE the pagans. Simply, we are not supposed to live with them at all. If I am wrong, then I would be happy to see references from Quraan/Hadith to show that Muslims are supposed to live in the land of the Kuffar.

What are we supposed to do?

Personally I believe that, given the current situation/location of the British Ummah, MPAC has the best practical approach to the way to deal with/interact with the fellow citizens of the UK.

OF course, IDEALLY, we could do this or that, but 'Ideal' is just that: merely an idea.

after reading azaads comment somehow i do not think the word we applies when he comments.

This article is one of the reasons why I respect and like MPACUK so much.

Sometimes things need to be said that people are uncomfortable listening to. The best way to keep MPACUK quiet is for individuals to wake up and actually do some of things they're talking about! They'l have nothing to complain about then!

MPACUK – don’t you find it a bit peculiar that “Quranite” Munafiq Kaafirs (who don’t recognize Hadith as a legal source of Islamic rulings) are so eager to support you and your “objectives (whatever they are?)” - I mean some of the repetitive bankrupt “arguments” they bring are so nonsensical and desperate it just makes me laugh.

Don’t get me wrong many of your activates – its all good - but at least try to purge your ranks of any “Quranites” that may sneakily exist within you - who work from within to BREAK the ummah! This is also a part of Protecting the Ummah! – Your unfortunate ego centric attitude and failure to recognise this due to your belittlement of the issue of preserving the Orthodox Islamic aqeedah will in effect only aid in the Ummah’s annihilation in the long term – and constructing your own ego-centric bubble – seeing yourselves as THE saviours of Islam – you will only end up looking like a joke!

Don’t get to a position were you are engrossed in one activity (which is good) BUT dangerously neglect the other or work AGAINST those who work to protect the Ummah from other sides which in consequence due to your ignorance in this - foster anti-Islamic ideas to spread in the name of “defending Islam”.

Always welcome constructive criticism – especially from Muslims – we are in the same boat (and Quranite apostates are not on it)

“The believers, men and women, are Auliyâ' (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another, they enjoin (on the people) Al-Ma'rûf (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism and all that Islâm orders one to do), and forbid (people) from Al-Munkar (i.e. polytheism and disbelief of all kinds, and all that Islâm has forbidden); they perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât) and give the Zakât, and obey Allâh and His Messenger. Allâh will have His Mercy on them. Surely Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Wise.” (At-Tawbah 9:71)

And start to drop this harshness against Muslims who simply disagree with you or maybe are simply sincerely mistaken in an issue – don’t treat them as we treat Neo-cons and Zionists.

“Muhammad (SAW) is the Messenger of Allâh, and those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves.” (Al-Fath 48:29)

For don’t expect to be treated kindly in return when you constantly bash Muslims inappropriately (and most of the time IMO only to please the kuffar and enforce to them your desired “modern reformist image”) – even if they may be sincerely wrong - hostility is always met with hostility - thus when YOU face harshness its no point of crying and making these weird articles just waiting for your cult like supporters to descend here to somehow reassure yourselves?? - And say as usual:

“We love you MPACUK!”, “You’re the Best!”, “Thank God for MPACUK!”, “Mujahideen feesabilillah – Allahu Akbar!!!” and “You’re always right!”

Have I missed anymore?

Oh Look! The Arch Munafiq 'Reality' has soooo predictably responded. Works everytime!! Ha ha!

So, 'Reality', with your utterly bakrupt so-called 'arguments', will you confirm that you fully support paedophile marriages? Don't avoid the question this time: Do you believe that 55 year-old men/women should marry 6 year-old boys/girls? Also, when will you and your fellow enemies of Islam stop selling teabags full of flies to dunk in your tea (for there is more good than bad in a fly)?

We want MPAC. You and your lot don't. We support MPAC in what it is doing. You don't. We want to play a full part in UK society. You don't. We beleive in the word of Allah (only persons of sound judgement may marry). You don't (you believe that a 6-year old child should marry a 55 year old). And yet you keep appearing here. Why? I'm sure MPAC will survive agent provocateurs like you.

I can't wait to see another one of your child-like rants!

Go on entertain us. Go on! (and don't forget your belief in the disgusting paedo-marriages!)

Reality

Just what gives YOU the right to say who is or isn't a Muslim? I could call you a 'Munafiq'. I could say you are an 'Allah denier', despite your, copius Quraan-quoting, which even Saddam Hussein could do, as he shredded men women and children in machines (with huge amounts of your own words in parentheses). You are so keen with your name calling; and yet you claim to be a Muslim. Can you not see the irony in you stance? Your whole approach seems to be one of anger, bitterness, and well, you just aren't happy with yourself. Don't be so hysterical. Calm down. Islam is 'Peace' remember.

You say you don't know what MPACUK's 'objectives' are: and yet you say "Don't get me wrong many of your activates (sic) - its all good". A bit confused in your thinking there.

MPACUK is not here to defend 'Islam' as such: Allah alone suffices for that. The clue to MPACUK's objectives lies in the name: Musim Public Affairs Committee United Kingdom. It is here to facilitate the UK Muslim community's participation in and interaction with UK public affairs (whether domestic or foreign). MPACUK isn't HUT!

We live here, so we must interact.

lol.

I rest my case again! - You get what I am saying MPACUK? – a hard look in the mirror I think may be needed? Why is it that these “Quranite” Munafiqs hide behind your name to spread their heresy?!

And it seems the “Quranite” kaafir is starting to surface enragement and as usual desperation with all these pathetic boring “straw-man” arguments he throws in order to sell his false, weak and fragile creed which only leads to the Hellfire.

Do carry on “Quranite” kaafir – the more you post the more your hypocrisy surfaces. It will inevitably come to a point (if it already hasn’t) that every post you write - to Muslims who glance at it – will be just some waste of useless letters and words.

And yes - we live here and we need to interact but interaction does not mean we become Christians or apostates – this is what you need to understand “Quranite” kaafir – we are happy being Muslims.

Hey 'Reality' (real name 'Illusion'):

Lol How entertaining (not!)! Totally run out of arguments. You must be mistaken, this is your MPACUK site? This isn't H.U.T.!

I rest my case -a hard look in the mirror may be needed?

Can't see can you? It is YOU that could be called a Munafiq.
(Īyāka Na`budu Wa 'Īyāka Nasta`īn) -- Allah ALONE is not who you worship, is He? Allah ALONE is not who you ask for help, is HE?

People, like you, who have disgusting beliefs such as paedophile marriages ( I note that you yet again FAILED TO DENY it) are NOT Muslim. And stop making 3 year old girls wear Hijaabs, in case 'men won't be able to control their desires' (don't be so sick).

AND you yet again failed to deny your love of 'Fly Tea'.

Hey, if you believe in sick Paedo-marriages, you're no Muslim. DENY IT NOW! If you don't you ARE a munafiq. No amount of Quraan-quoting is going to save you. (You don't believe in the Quraan anyway, and yet you pathetically/hypocritically keep citing this verse or that, when, quite obviously you are a Quraan-denying 'Hadithite').

If you believe in dunking flies (with dog-s**t on its feet) into your tea, you should be sectioned.

You don't enrage us; you DISGUST us. We Muslims don't want your sick lot to tag along. Once and for all: STOP INSULTING ISLAM!

Stop abusing MPACUK's pages with you utter inanities, when you don't believe in anything that they do.

People like you are holding MPACUK back. We want MPACUK to succeed and succeed spectacularly.

Don't bother replying, you will only cause derision and laughter. Besides you will no doubt use the SAME words. You will continue to be hypocritical. No Muslim will be fooled (only Kaffirs and Apostates will be fooled by you -- so perhaps you will even fool youself!). Your post will, as ususal, be some waste of useless letters and words.

One thing is certain: everyone now knows that you have NOT DENIED your belief in sick paedo-marriages.
Only an agent provocateurs will take the position that you have.

reality...what a ranting unintelligble diatribe..of course im scum to you as i dont share your outlandish views..you hypocreten..

Lol – Oh my days - What on earth is the Quranite Munafiq on about now?!

Yep his defo lost his composure - after his inevitable exposure. Hey Qurnite Munafiq try not to hurt yourself when you type away.

What the Qurnite Munafiq will never understand is that Muslim values are shaped by the Qur’an and the Sunnah (which is from Divine inspiration) – values and parameters that have been set by the Creator for the Creation until the Day of Judgement.

His mockery of what he calls “fly tea” is referring to this authentic Hadith of the Prophet (saw):

"If a housefly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for the one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure of the disease." [Bukhari, vol. 4: 537].

And what he calls “paedophile marriage” is an attack on the Prophet (saw) marriage to the Mother of the Believers - Ayesha (ra)

What is interesting to note is these are two frequent issues that are also picked upon by Orientalists etc in their attack on Islam. And throughout this entire website on whatever issue raised – something totally unrelated and on a different subject - wherever the “Qurnite” Munafiq surfaces he always seems to go on about the same thing again and again – in his laughable futile attempt to undermine Hadith and the Sunnah itself.

“Quranite” Munafiq – I told you - post by post you only inevitably will surface your enmity for the Deen – do keep them coming.

Brief responses for the benefit of the Muslims:

Hadith regarding the fly:
http://www.understand-islam.net/Articles/TheHadeethontheFly.pdf

Clearing the Doubts About A'ishah:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kSbtTz76Gw&NR=1

This a brilliant article - dont worry about these ignorant practicing bunch of whinners. They do nothing themselves apart from grow a bears and attend endless talks so they can marry a sister and feel holy.

MPAC your job is to fight - and may Allah the greatest of all planners be with you.

The problem with some of these comments on this article is that its nothing to do with the subject. Which shows the muslims are doing exactly what MPAC warns them not to do - argue over trivia while the enemies are planning to attack. Allah help us.

wow! I didn't know that. do muslims believe in pedo marriages? thats sick man! you guys drink tea with a fly dipped in it? you disgust me.

Barbarossa

I quite agree.

All this silly to-and-fro on trivia is v distracting. As I've posted above, 'Excellent MPAC'.

Ha ha Haaaah!

There he is!! -- 'Reality' the Quraan-denying munafiq!

The Arch-mushriq just can't keep getting deeper and deeper into denying the Deen. With every post he exposes his hate of Islam and Muslims.

So now we have it: he DOES support pedo-marriages. In complete contradiction to the Quraanic Ayat: [an-Nisa' 4:6] "Make trial of orphans until they reach the age of marriage; if then ye find sound judgment in them, release their property to them".

Can't be clearer: deny the Quraan? You a'int no Muslim!

Sick,imposter, and agent provocateur.

Once again: this is MPACUK; this is NOT H.U.T.

At least we dont fly to Israel every year and kill little kids for sport.

omg one wing has disease and the other has the cure of the disease? and wot u think is on its FEET? no wonder muslim is the most backward

this is my country and we is never going to allow weddings to kids

**** **f to raghead land

Dr. Ghyath Hasan al-Ahmad in his book al-Tibb al-Nabawi fi Daw' al-`Ilm al-Hadith ("Prophetic Medicine in the light of Modern Science") (1995 2:188-189) mentions that a Dr. Nabîh Dâ`ish ran an experiment at King `Abd al-`Aziz University in Ryadh in which he created ten bacterial cultures from samples of sterilized fluid into which a fly fell without being immersed; ten more bacterial cultures from samples into which a fly fell and was immersed once; ten more from samples into which the fly was immersed twice; and ten more from samples into which the fly was immersed three times. The results showed that bacterial colonies thrived in the first set but were stunted and depleted in the second, more so in the third, and most in the fourth set.

It is established that house flies are carriers of dangerous pathogens of animals and humans. Even the muscaphobic critics of this hadith are forced to admit that no one at the time of the Prophet, upon him peace, knew that flies carry such harmful organisms. Whence the observation that "under one of its wings there is venom"?

Second, from the perspective of logic, if the fly did not carry some sort of protection in the form of an antidote or immunity, it would perish from its own poisonous burden and there would be no fly left in the world.

Further, the transmission of what the fly carries in or on its body is not an automatic fact. For example, the microbe responsible for ulcers and other stomach ailments can live on houseflies, although it remains to be seen whether flies transmit the pathogen. http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc97/6_7_97/ref1.htm

There has long been evidence of bacterial pathogen-suppressing micro-organisms living in houseflies. An article in Vol. 43 of the Rockefeller Foundation's Journal of Experimental Medicine (1927) p. 1037 stated:

The flies were given some of the cultured microbes for certain diseases. After some time the germs died and no trace was left of them while a germ-devouring substance formed in the flies - bacteriophages. If a saline solution were to be obtained from these flies it would contain bacteriophages able to suppress four kinds of disease-inducing germs and to benefit immunity against four other kinds.

Cited in `Abd Allah al-Qusami, Mushkilat al-Ahadith al-Nabawiyya wa-Bayanuha (p. 42).

More recently, a Colorado State University website on entomology states, "Gnotobiotic [=germ-free] insects (Greenberg et al, 1970) were used to provide evidence of the bacterial pathogen-suppressing ability of the microbiota of Musca domestica [houseflies] .... most relationships between insects and their microbiota remain undefined. Studies with gnotobiotic locusts suggest that the microbiota confers previously unexpected benefits for the insect host." http://lamar.colostate.edu/~insects/systems/digestion/plenuryrd.html

So then, flies are not only pathogenic carriers but also carry microbiota that can be beneficent. The fly microbiota were described as "longitudinal yeast cells living as parasites inside their bellies. These yeast cells, in order to perpetuate their life cycle, protrude through certain respiratory tubules of the fly. If the fly is dipped in a liquid, the cells burst into the fluid and the content of those cells is an antidote for the pathogens which the fly carries." Cf. Footnote in the Translation of the Meanings of Sahih al-Bukhari by Muhammad Muhsin Khan (7:372, Book 76 Medicine, Chapter 58, Hadith 5782).

These fly microbiota are bacteriophagic or "germ-eating". Bacteriophages are viruses of viruses. They attack viruses and bacteria. They can be selected and bred to kill specific organisms. The viruses infect a bacterium, replicate and fill the bacterial cell with new copies of the virus, and then break through the bacterium's cell wall, causing it to burst. The existence of similar bacteria-killing mechanisms in two bacteriophages suggests that antibiotics for human infections might be designed on the basis of these cell wall-destroying proteins. Science 292 (June 2001) p. 2326-2329.

Bacteriophagic medicine was available in the West before the forties but was discontinued when penicillin and other "miracle antibiotics" came out. Bacteriophages continued to flourish in Eastern Europe as an over-the-counter medicine. The "O1-phage" has been used for diagnosis of all Salmonella types while the prophylaxis of Shigella dysentery was conducted with the help of phages. Annales Immunologiae Hungaricae No. 9 (1966) in German.

"Phage therapy" is now making a comeback in the West: First named in 1917 by researcher Felix d'Herelle at France's Pasteur Institute, bacteriophages (or just phages for short) are viruses that prey upon bacteria. They have a simple structure - a DNA-filled head attached by a shaft to spidery "legs" that are used to grip onto the surface of a bacterium. Once a phage latches onto a bacterium, it injects its payload of genetic material into the bacterium's innards. The bacterium then begins to rapidly produce "daughter" copies of the phage until the bacterium becomes too full and ruptures, sending hundreds of new phage particles into the open world. Doctors used phages as medical treatment for illnesses ranging from cholera to typhoid fevers. In some cases, a liquid containing the phage was poured into an open wound. In others, they were given orally, via aerosol, or injected. In some cases, the treatments worked well - in others, they did not. When antibiotics came into the mainstream, phage therapy largely faded in the west.
However, researchers in eastern Europe, including the former Soviet Union, continued their studies of the potential healing properties of phages. And now that strains of bacteria resistant to standard antibiotics are on the rise, the idea of phage therapy has been getting more attention in the worldwide medical community. Several biotechnology companies have been formed in the U.S. to develop bacteriophage-based treatments - many of them drawing on the expertise of researchers from eastern Europe." http://www.sciencefriday.com/pages/2000/Jul/hour1_072100.html

Research on the medical application of bacteriophages is now considered to be in its most promising stage. A University of Pittsburgh researcher said in June 2001, "Given the sheer number and variety of bacteriophages lurking on the planet, the viruses may represent a sizable untapped reservoir of new therapeutics." Science 292 (June 2001) p. 23262329.

Possibilities for use of bacteriophages in disease control is discussed in the article "Smaller Fleas... Ad infinitum: Therapeutic Bacteriophage Redux" in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America [PNAS] Vol. 93 No. 8 (April 16, 1996), 31678. http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/tocrender.fcgi?iid=1253

The fact that the fly carried pathophagic or germeating agents was known to the ancients, who noticed that wasp and scorpion stings are remedied by rubbing the sore spot with a decapitated fly as mentioned in alAntaki's Tadhkira (1:140), al`Ayni's citation of Abu Muhammad Ibn alBaytar alMaliqi's (d. 646) alJamiliMufradat alAdwiya walAghdhiya in `Umdat alQari (7:304), and alSha`rani's Mukhtasar alSuwaydi filTibb (p. 98).

Avicenna preferred the use of a live chicken slit in two and applied to the wound cf. Ibn alAzraq, Tashîl al Manafi` (1306 ed. p. 171=1315 ed. p. 147). A similar use is current even today for camel urine according to a University of Calgary website. http://www.ucalgary.ca/applied_history/tutor/islam/beginnings/camels.html
In the two world wars the wounds of soldiers exposed to flies were observed to heal and scar faster than the wounds of unexposed soldiers. Even today, fly larvae, or maggots, are used medicinally to clean up festering wounds. They only eat dead tissue and leave healthy tissue alone. Is the fly ritually filthy (najis)? No. The Jurists concur that the fly is pure (aldhubab tahir) and does not defile a liquid even if its quantity is small and even if it dies in it except, according to alShafi`i, if one of the aspects of the liquid is affected (smell, color, taste) cf. alBaghawi, Sharh alSunna (11:260261) and alQastallani, Irshad alSari (5:304305).
The Prophetic Sunna is an endless manual of healthy living and practical husbandry for people of all walks of life, especially the poor. The Prophet, upon him peace, at all times directed his Umma to avert waste and penury even in unsanitary conditions. Just as the hadith on camel milk and urine reveals knowledge of dietetics and natural medicine, so does the hadith of the fly reveal knowledge of preventive medicine and immunology. In this respect the command in these hadiths, as in many others, denotes an advisory Sunna of permissibility, not a literal obligation. "The command [of immersing the fly] denotes counsel (alamru lilirshad) so as to counter disease with cure." AlQastallani, Irshad alSari (5:304).

Despite the abundance of supporting evidence for the authenticity of these medicinal narrations (camel and fly) on the one hand and for their scientific viability on the other, certain voices continue to reject them on both counts. Principle skepticism of authentically transmitted narrations that pertain to facts demonstrated by ancient and modern science, or whose scientific worth is just now coming into view, is the wont of stagnant minds and diseased hearts for which there is no cure save the mercy of our Lord.

Abdul Haq: I'm sure your research is well-intentioned, but I urge you not to give in to 'pious science'. Here is some material from the Ohio State University site. (btw: bateria isn't the same as virus)

House flies may spread diseases such as conjunctivitis, poliomyelitis, typhoid fever, tuberculosis, anthrax, leprosy, cholera, diarrhea and dysentery.

House Fly

Adults are about 1/6 to 1/4 inch long with reddish-brown eyes. Females are usually larger than males and have wider spacing between the eyes. They have two membranous wings; sponging or non-biting mouthparts; a dull gray body; and four narrow, black-lengthwise stripes on the thorax. Each female, during her three to four weeks of life, lays five to six batches of 75 to 100 small, white, oval eggs, largely in scattered garbage, that hatch in 12 to 24 hours into creamy white larvae. Larvae grow and pupate in four to seven days, and the last larval skin, which is hard and dark brown, is called a puparium. This stage lasts seven days, and can be the overwintering stage. The life cycle from egg to adult may be from 8 to 12 days in warm weather. A pair of flies beginning operation in April, if all were to live, would result in 191,010,000,000,000,000,000 (191 quintillion 10 quadrillion) flies by August. Allowing 1/8 cubic inch to a fly, this number would cover the earth 47 feet deep. Luckily, predators, parasites and other factors reduce fly populations. When feeding, house flies regurgitate some of their stomach contents on the food, which dissolves it. Then they suck it back into their stomach. They leave fecal deposits where they have walked. While walking and feeding on garbage, fecal material and food, flies may transfer disease organisms from both inside and outside their bodies. The flight range is from 2 to 20 miles.

Little House Fly

Adults are similar to house flies except they are smaller - 1/8 to 3/16 inch long. They have sponging mouthparts and feed on liquids. Male flies are usually seen in homes, where they hover in the middle of rooms. Females lay eggs in semiliquid organic matter such as animal and human excrement. The life cycle requires about 24 days. (If you really believe that that Hadith is authentic, they you must beleive in NEVER killing any flies -- please be careful otherwise you join those who insult the Prophet (pbuh) with mis-reported Hadith).

Abdul Haq you ignorant fool. fly must carry antidote otherwise it might perish from its own poisonous burden?what twaddle!!you carry bacteria in your stomach which helps you digest food but would kill another animal.can't you get it?just because a germ is harmful to humans doesn't mean its harmful to the fly!GO AWAY you ignorant MUSLIMS.we don't want you spreading disease in our schools restaurants offices hospitals.why don't you cover yourself with ***t so that flies follow you around.they're good for you aren't they?

Abdul Haq? Ha Ha! Nice try 'Reality'

Lost the argument, so now disguises himself. Too embarrassed to appear in own name any more.

Brings utter shame on the Ummah with his disgusting beliefs.Labels all Muslims as 'paedophiles', and Fly-Tea drinkers.

Can always spot a Mushriq: will go to unbelieveable lengths (multiple 'verbal diarrhoea' posts)to justify their DENIAL OF QURAANIC VERSES.

Can he cite ANY Quraanic verse to support the spreading of disease? No! There's a surprise.

You shamless Mushriq: tell the child dying of dysentry/cholera that the fly that brought it the disease had "'good' under one wing".

STOP INSULTING ISLAM.

My word, I nearly thought you had a good argument until I realised the desease in your mind was far worse then any fly could carry. The worse thing is the desease in your mind is harmful to both yourself and mankind.

Do you have no humanity left in you, that you speak to another human in such a fashion? May Allah help us when hearts become hard and evil seems to rule the day.

Flies in tea?Wow!While the Israelis defend themselves from Arab genocidists,Muslims commit genocide in Darfur.

You are racist and an Islamophobe. Much dirtier IMHO.

So killing Tom Hurndal a British student who put his body in between Israeli snipers and school children is defense it is?

The Quran was right - you are 'word twisters' - but its not going work here.