The cheif justice tried to hold mushraf the dictator to account and he was kicked out twice from the courts.
Others have been murdered for daring to speak out and that happpens everywhere in the world including here in the U.K but we have a favourite word for it suicide.

There are many organisations who take accountability in which the members hold their leadership accountable. For instance the Jamaat-e-Islami hold annual arkan programmes in which the leadership is made to account for its acitivities and decisions. In UK organisations like YM, UKIM, MAB do the same.

YM UKIM and MAB are probably the least accountable groups in Britain. Getting held to account by members is one thing - being held accountable by the public is another.

MAB is nothing short of a arab mafia along with FOSIS its sidekick.

Name one time they have ever allowed the public to hold them accountable?

I myself have held UKIM accountable and was pretty much brushed aside. It is easy to say it - the proof in the pudding is in the eating. And the groups you mentioned dont go down to well...

Ahhhh! Generalised Masjid bashing again...I knew it was that time of the month, when I saw the curteous terms 'wicked' and 'tyranical', being used against our brothers, uncles, fathers and grandfarthers. When are you crusaders going to have the decency to distinguish and differentiate in these cart blanche defamotary outbursts. As brother Abu Haraka has mentioned there are organisations that have been active, engaged and accountable from before some of us were twinkles in our beloved fathers eyes. The Muslim Council of Britain, Islamic Forum Europe, and UK Islamic Mission but to name a few. These institutions have age-old democratice and constitutional mechanisms, which account or as they say in Urdu/Arabic hold 'Muhasaba'upon everyone from the caretaker upto the local, regional and national leadership, safeguards such as maximum two year tenures on elected leadership, yes two years, you won't find them with one crony leader for 25 years!!! So brothers do your community some justice...be honest, open and transparent yourselves on admitting the real, existant and representative nature of some organisation structures and models in our community. Then we can adress the real ignorant, backward, feudal, superstitious folk who run some of our Mosques up North!

Whoever wrote that article needs to learn about the religion himself.

What the title should be is that whenever we abandon the sunnah(way of the Prophet(s.a.w) then Allah will appoint ignorant and corrupt leaders upon us.

Well Captain Islam - I thought Accountability was the Sunnah? Or are you talking about the length of your trousers and beard again~?

well what would u call accountability...? it is an important part of Islam...hence the reason for the title of the article.

Abdullah,


get a grip, talking about accountability isnt a bad thing.

Are you a child? Cant you put together a logical argument instead of just saying quoting stuff? If you have a point it is lost on me! Make sense man so we can understand what your point is. Anyone can quote - use your head - explain!

Accountability is the backbone of an Islamic society.

If we ignore this vital element of Islam then we are inviting the real fitna (corruption) and complacency.

I think the quote of Ibn Taymiah may have been inaccurately taken out of context or incorrect? -for Ibn Taymiah – his students and other ulema in that time declared takfeer on the Tartars of that era due to their changing and abandonment of establishing the Shariah, and their veneration for their “yaasiq” system – (which was a system of laws founded and set down by their founder Genghis Khan) – even though these Tartars in the era of Ibn Taymiah claimed to be Muslim and affirmed the Kalimah – (which confused a lot commoners and even scholars in that time about their condition) –abandoning the shariah, changing the shariah or implementing a man-made system of governance (in this case – “yaasq”) was a clear manifestation of apostasy and Ibn Taymiah is amongst those ulema who stood out to make the Muslims aware of this and the danger of the Tatars

Thus Ibn Taymiah was talking to a kaafir apostate Tatar ruler not a "Muslim Ruler” - and it is also well know that Ibn Taymiah himself also had participated in Jihaad against them in Syria and rallied the masses – inciting them to join Jihaad against the Tartars in this critical time while other "scholars" were oblivious to the impending danger - the benefit that can be drawn out here is the issue of PRIORITISATION in light of situation and circumstances that demand certain actions above others - noting that this is the same Ibn Taymiah - who has also written voluminous works against deviant sects in defense of orthodox Islam in all its branches and dedicated his life striving and warning against bidah etc.

Im sorry but if you are somehowe claiming that accountability was not practiced by the Sahabah and the major scholars of Islam after them - then you need to be plain right here and now and I will post you the evidence to prove otherwise.

Accountability was part an parcel of early Islam that is why we never decayed - now we silence our mouths so the posion is never checked.

Apologies - I may have not been clear - I was specifically commenting on the specific quote of Ibn Taymiah and its context not on the article itself or what is generally says - indeed accountability is apart of Islam.

The reason for the comment is that a brother suggested in a comment on another page on this article - that this article is also generally speaking about “accountability" in the global context with regards to holding to account the current Rulers of the Muslim countries - a mistaken notion may arise from the quote of ibn taymiah with regards to the method of holding to account some of the current tyrannical, despotic, dictators of Muslim countries today - limiting it to only "speech" and "advice" - if it is not looked at in context and the position of ibn Taymiah on the Tartars in reference to the quote.

I don’t think we should make any similitude with the current Rulers of the Muslim countries and the Muslim leaders of organization and Imams of Masjids as many of the Current Rulers of the Muslim Countries are guilty of the crime of apostasy, disbelief, treachery and betrayal while the Imams of Masjids or the Amirs of organizations maybe guilty of negligence and laziness - two distinct issues that mandates two distinct methods in dealing with them in regards to holding them to account.

The Tartars in the era of Ibn Taymiah were regarded as kuffar even though they claimed they are Muslim or publicly declared the Kalimah the reasons why - I have mentioned in the previous post - - and their kufr is in similitude to what many of today’s Rulers (tyrants, despots and dictators) of the Muslim lands have also fallen into - in fact many are also committing another nullifier of Islam - allying with the enemies of Islam against Muslims - in effect these rulers are apostate lackeys and proxies of the enemies of Islam (Neo-Cons, Zionists or others) in waging war on Islam and the Muslims and see themselves as only accountable to them.

The Shari obligation of Muslim in the Muslim world regarding those treacherous dictators, despots and tyrants is to remove them by force (or build ability and strategies to do so) - for they have forfeited their right as leaders of the Muslims not just holding them to account by “speech”.