Excellent work MPAC !

It actually makes me wonder who is behind Hizb ut Tahrir that they get hundreds of sincere Muslims to stand outside the Saudi Embassy, achieving nothing more than freezing themselves half to death in the miserable January weather. And they actively teach them to reject any form of effective action. The HT member who says we should pressurise MPs, but not through voting - how did they convince him that it's possible to pressurise politicians even if you refuse to vote, join or fund political parties!??? Why on earth would they listen to you if you throw away your power to make them listen?

I just hope the MPAC Media Workshop gets as many Muslims turning up to it as turned up to that waste of time demo! I for one will be there insh'Allah.

I am really amazed by the new technology which you have used to get your message across.

It would be nice to see this kind of filiming done with members of the non muslim community to ask about what their views are with muslims or maybe interview imams and committee members from the local mosques etc.

Again, MPACUK really pleased with your advancement in getting the message across and getting everyone involved even with members of the Hizb ut Tahrir who were taking PART in the democractic process itself which gives them the right to protest, but when it comes down to the real thing of lobbying they come out with the same old jibberish "doesn't work".

Have they ever tried doing it to come to the judgement that it doesn't work? No because to them it's haraam to do it in the first place.

fantastic work MPAC
love the style used
inshallah the muslim media workshop will be helpful in educating the ignorance in many muslims, who dont understand the roots of the problem

The message given by the brother is so contradictory, get involved by doing something anything he says. So we defend the muslims by following our own whims and desires. The brothers needs to articulate and pass over a clear course of action not say defend the muslims by doing anything ??? What kind of message does that send ?

The whole Message was so clear, it was Unbelievably and Utterly and Incredibly Clear!

Come to the Workshop on Sunday 3rd Feb

And do something about Islamophobia in the media

and anything means anything from lobbying, complaining, acting, being involved in democratic process, exert pressure, that's anything

and it wasn't contradictory, Bcause there were no contradictions

great vid mpac...well done to the brothers and sisters for protesting but i dont understand how they can say voting or lobbying doesnt make a difference what difference will them protesting make exactly? I appreciate there effort but its pointless do they think govt cares but govt does care who votes for them or not...

Trust afzal to focus on 1 minor quote of the brother in the video 'anything' - GROW UP DUDE!

Atleast MPACUK are doing something to help defend Islam and inform the public how to go about tackling media bias and defend our religion and its people.

Afzal probably has never lifted a finger to help the Ummah or the oppressed palestinians - probably just another marcher. Typical HT I say - probably one of the dimmies from the Demo?!!!

Well done MPACUK for always taking the iniatitive when it comes to leading the way in defending and helping the Ummah.

This workshop sounds exciting! It seems like it won't be another religious debate or general chit chat about Islam - but Muslims working together to learn how to stand up for our rights in the media and how to do it practically. For too long we have stood by idle and pacified in the face of vilification and abuse in the political and media arena. It's about time a Muslim org lead the way to counter this!

Long live MPACUK.

I'll be booking a place at the event.

Ws

getting involved in the kuffar system is wrong - learn some ettiquettes mpac

Well he did mention 'lobbying' ..or does that fall into your 'whims and desires' bucket ....'oh no its a whims and desires answer - cant handle logical argument anymore ..must blot it out .help!'

I love mpac and can't stand HT so it came as a shock but the video was poor, you could have made them look very silly, by using any number of arguments. you could of shown how intolerant and dogmatic they are. you could of shown how indoctrinated their arguments are, ask the same questions to 100 members and all of them willl give you the same answer. (verbatem).

shame.

On another front, how great to go to HT's backyard and give them leaflets about MPAC a pro democracy group.

well done, you should of given them leaflets about joining Labour. That would of gotten them into a tizz.

What am I saying..you should off this, you should that...

maybeI should get off my fat backside and help... nah

Wow !!! i never knew that this forum was so hostile, subhanallah. I give my opion and i get lynched. I never knew Mpac was like this. As for tacking the media bias, many ways to do this local radio, Islam Channel have various shows doing exactly that, blog websites, writing into Newspapers i.e Guardian comment is free all are just some simple ways of tackling media bias. Also marches of course.

As for the brother on the video, just saying lobbying doesn't mean anything, he needs to be more articulate and give clear course of actions, this needs to be structured, not just shout comments like do anything, when he runs out of things to say !!!!

The message was contradictory for that point, that the message given one minute is lobby, then it is do anything, just be active,

The whole message given by Mpac is so full of holes, one message from scanning the forum is join a political party, and the choice is open i.e any political party will do. Then on the very same website you say these party have an anti Islamic agenda. So why should we join them if they are to get Islam ??/ Answer me this plz and can we not have you can change them from within because that will make me fall off my chair laughing. !

Don't worry it about it Afzal, the people who comment on mpac are a varied bunch, some agree with you. (me) Other's dont. some are zionist some are salafi, some are christian and others no faith.

You made your point well and people disagreed, I didn't see it as an attack on you, but merely a counter argument from a passionate readership. I would like to think that you commented because you also are passionate.

Anyway stick to your guns they are valid points and even if some of the readership and forum members don't agree, at least mpac has the guts to put up dissenting views.

Hypocrisy!

Don't participate in a Kuffar system but live your life day in day out in a "Kuffar" system, go to work in "Kuffar" system, or in some despicable cases sponge off "Kuffar" state benefits.

If you don't want to participate there's an easy solution......leave!

Lobbying: - “to conduct activities aimed at influencing public officials - to attempt to influence or sway (a public official) toward a desired action”

I think it would be good if MPACUK produced detailed documents or presentations outlining the “course of action” that Muslims can/should take with regards to defending our interests within the media etc– and place it on the website – this will enable a wider audience to view/benefit. And I would also like MPACUK to produce a presentation or document of how it sees itself & outline what it wishes to achieve, its objectives and goals in detail.

The issues raised by MPACUK are important indeed – with regards to the lack of organisation and incompetence as a community to strategically defend our interests when under attack with effectiveness – it is a disgrace that the only “action” that Muslims seem to know these days - is shouting and screaming in the streets – creating a bit of noise and finally go home with a broken voice.

However considering the complexity and diversity that exists within the Muslim Community – of different theological standpoints, ideas, strategies and methodologies – I believe the effectiveness and consequently the success of any organisation that wishes to “activate” the entire community must recognise differences and strategically work around it with wisdom; catering for all thus the whole community views the organisation as an asset to the community, so one may disagree with MPACUK on an issue but will say “hang on I can help out on this other issue” or you can say to them “Ok brothers if you don’t agree with this at least do this then”– this way you get the whole community engaged and thus it becomes an organisation of the whole community.

However if sections of the community start to perceive MPACUK as just another sectarian group – your initiatives to activate the community will at the same time will also sow the seeds of opposition (against you) within the community.

I will just briefly mention below what I mean:

1. A lot of Muslims do not vote due to an Islamic theological stand they take, others vote only as a necessity or - “tactical voting” in order to keep the Far Right (BNP etc) out in their areas. In light of this if MPACUK makes the “voting issue” its main theme and tries to shove “democracy” down the throats of these non-compliant Muslims – “talking about joining political parties and even funding political parties?!” – and disparage them if they don’t agree with you – You will effectively only create opposition – an opposition who will see you as a sectarian group with a sectarian agenda.

2. When pursing to make Muslims active and “to engage” – if MPACUK come on TV or create podcasts - instead of wisely using the key word: “PRIORITSE” rather if you start using tactics of “belittlement” and “disparagement” such as saying: “so and so group always concentrating on the bears & isbal etc” or “so and so group always talking about fiqh and aqeedah” – you effectively only create opposition – who will see you as an anti-Sunnah movement or another one of these sectarian “modernist movement” - who wishes to strip Islam of certain values and principles in order to please the kuffar

3. And if someone objects or voices an opinion and differs with you - if your members/supporters only disparage them shouting out - “these other one who don’t raise a finger”, “useless” or “pacifists” etc without justification other than for “group partisanship” and possess an attitude of “my group is the best” and everyone else is lost and see nothing else – then you will manifest signs of being one of those cult like groups we have in the community.

I guess what I am saying is – a bit more wisdom, looking at things strategically and employing patience are needed.

politics is haraam:

If that's what you think then what are you doing living in the land of kuffar?

Be grateful that the UK allows us Muslims to vote; has laws against incitement to religious hatred; allows hijab/jilbaab wearing women to work in the public sector; celebrates Eid in Trafalgar Square; allows Masjids to be built in all sorts of neighbourhoods.

We must take part in the affairs of the land where we live; or else we should ship out.

I fully support MPAC's excellent efforts in getting the UK Ummah involved in public affairs.

You can use your vote as a "referendum" eg to keep a party out of your area such as the BNP. Its views like your that puts them in power.

We have to "play the system" so that our people can better themselves. Muslims must represent themselves in all avenues of the British system.

no, politics is haraam

we as muslims in this country cannot get involved in this system, and I am shocked at mpac for promoting democracy.

shame on you mpac