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Sunday, 06 January 2008
bishop.jpgHe’s at it again.  Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali the Bishop of Rochester, just can’t help himself and repeatedly throws petrol on the fire by goading British Muslims yet again.  Writing in the Sunday Telegraph he claims that there are “no-go areas in Britain for non-Muslims” because extremists are refusing to integrate.  This is stretching of the term “extremists” beyond the point of the word having any useful meaning.  He also fails to specifically name an area where this is the case.

Conflating a number of disparate issues, the Bishop continues his characteristically unhelpful tirade by attacking the “novel” idea of multiculturism resulting in an influx of "people of other faiths to these shores".  A view that would have elicited a knowing nod from the likes of Enoch Powell were he still alive today.  Many on the far-right are bound to seize on this right-wing Bishop’s comments as vindication for their own bigotry.

His fury at the government then continues by expressing fears that it is now more difficult for Christianity to be the “public faith in Britain” and that the government is taking steps to disestablish the Anglican church.  The Bishop of course makes the link between this perceived diminution of his church with the increasing number of Muslims in Britain and notes that if it were not for the saving grace of the black majority churches and the “recent arrival” of people from Eastern Europe – “the Christian cause in many of our cities would have looked a lost one.”  The Bishop skips the sticky problem (from his point of view) of the people from Eastern Europe being predominantly practicing Catholics.

Next on his hit list is the issue of sharia law.  Bizarrely he implies that sharia compliant finance products are the thin end of the wedge and that Muslims are increasingly imposing the idea of sharia when he laments “there is pressure already to relate aspects of the sharia to civil law in Britain.”   Why can’t the issue of Sharia compliance be treated as another consumer demand like that for ethical fund management or the rise of the “green pound”?  The addition of sharia compliant products and services should be viewed as offering people more choice not less and do you think the finance houses and banks are complaining?  Of course not because these products typically return higher margins which then result in benefits to Britain’s economy.  As long as the idea is of sharia being an additional choice instead of replacing actual domestic law this isn’t really an issue that should concern people but that doesn’t stop the Bishop from tossing the idea on to the fire.

On to integration and here the Bishop has a point albeit a very badly made one.  The issue of integration is real but it is also complex.  Immigrant communities have always coalesced the world over and Britain’s various Muslim communities are no different.  An additional but related problem is the phenomenon of “white flight” where the indigenous white population move away from an area en masse thus increasing the geographical divide between communities along racial lines.  White flight occurs in many countries.  Just look at the demographic data of US cities since the 1980’s for example and you will see white flight occurring there also.  The problem affecting some Muslim communities in Britain is the idea that separation some how insulates you from the ills prevalent in wider society.  The attitude is particularly noticeable in some of the English mill towns of the north with Blackburn and areas like Bradford being highly polarised along racial lines.  Without a hint of irony the Bishop notes that “those of a different faith or race may find it difficult to live or work there because of hostility to them”.  David Davis, the shadow home secretary, jumped on the bandwagon by accusing Muslims of promoting a kind of "voluntary apartheid" by shutting themselves in closed societies and demanding “immunity from criticism”.

MPACUK has a record of raising the issue of integration problem of some Britain’s Muslim communities because the issue is critical to the long term benefit of all the communities in Britain.  Our leaders, particularly our mosque leaders, have for far too long swept this issue under the carpet.  This inability to act may come back to haunt them in the future.  The issue is a sensitive one and complicated by the interactions of central and local government.  Action should be taken on schooling, housing, language and social policy but it should also be aimed at the host community as well.

Lastly we have the issue of some communities where there is a Muslim majority, broadcasting the Azan (call to prayer) from loudspeakers outside mosques.  The issue should be addressed very seriously by Muslim communities and they should remember that being good citizens means listening to the concerns of your neighbours and dealing with them sensitively.  Muslims have managed to get to the mosque on time in the past without an amplified reminder and antagonising your non-Muslim neighbours is no recipe for communal harmony.  Local councils should take objections very seriously.

Bishop Nazir-Ali has a history of antagonism towards Muslims.  Out of step with his fellow members of the church he lauded the idea of a just war and backed the use of force to disarm Saddam Hussain.  The reality of a war that was predicated on a lie, was against international law and cost more than a million Iraqi lives are of little consequence to him.

Hypocritically, he argues that British Muslims should not benefit from exceptionalism but calls for increasing exceptionalism for Britain’s Christians.  Lamenting the fact that fewer people of Christian background openly practice the faith the Bishop would be wise to question whether any fault lies with the church itself.  Why do Britain’s Christians feel increasingly out of touch with their church in modern day Britain?  Instead of laying the blame at the feet of Britain’s Muslims the Bishop would be wise to weigh his words more carefully and consider the consequences before stirring up hatred.  In the past two weeks there have been at least two racially motivated murders of British Muslims.

The Bishop gives succour to Islamophobes and discredits the good name of his office.



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Readers have left 22 comments.
azaad: Quote

I have never paid much attention to this 'Bishop'. Personally I find him to have an obnoxious public image. I don't like the cut of his jib.

It could be argued that, subconsiously, he fears that there must be something in Islam. He must wonder why it is strengthening and whilst Anglican Christianity is simply fading away. He has indeed admitted that, but for the Black 'charismatic' churches -- which are really just a continuance of African tribal/communal singing/dancing (nothing wrong with that at all), and the new Catholics (whom the Anglican would , not so long ago, have happily burned at the stake), more and more church buildings would be converted to bars and flats!

For him to convert back to Islam would be a step so huge that he cannot even contemplate this possibility, so what he does is to demonise what he cannot hope to emulate.

First the C of E (btw some suggest that when Shakespeare titled one of his plays 'Comedy of Errors' it was a bitter allusion to the Church of England), was against abortion; then it allowed it. Second, it said homosexuality was evil; then it agreed to accept openly gay couples. Third it was totally against women preachers; then it started promoting them to senior positions. It says that Jesus was against violence; and yet Anglican priests are embedded within the armed forces and got to theatres of war, in uniform!

The most commonly apouted untruth is: Britain is a Christian country. It is not, and never has been. It is, and always has been a pagan country. A thick layer of 'Christianity' was overlaid, but only a thin patina now survives and as the light of 21st Century knowledge shines ever brighter, this too will vanish. This is the fear of the 'powers that be' in the Church.

What they call 'reformation' was in fact a 'dilution'; they wish the same on Islam, and are quite puzzled as to how/why Muslims appear to be so passionate about their faith.

Is the 'Bishop' hedging his bets, by still keeping his Muslim-sounding name?
(1) 2008-01-07 09:08:40
Abu Haadiya: Quote

Mr Bishop, Take off your 'christian' clothing, and then take a walk into many indiginous white only areas, especially the more deprived ones. See how people react differently to you because of your colour, and see how many call you Paki. Then maybe you may appreciate that there are far more no go areas for Muslims then for non muslims.
(2) 2008-01-07 09:09:30
Southall Man: Quote

White Flight ?

Oh dear. If only the real world could be so simple, so Black and White.

Because today, 2008, in Southall, we have "Brown Flight".

These "Browns" were immigrants to the UK who created a unique community in West London.

Who, what and why are these "Browns" fleeing from ?

Oh dear. Real world situations are more complicated than easy to mouth slogans.
(3) 2008-01-07 16:08:12
Tahira: Quote

I think it's probably much more common for there to be racist areas where Muslims are afraid to venture than the other way around.

Fortunately these Islamophobic comments do not seem to be reflect the views of most clergy and members of the Church of England. I would like to hear the Archbishop speak out against Nazir Ali's comments in the same way as Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg and Tory foreign affairs spokesman William Hague have done.
(4) 2008-01-07 18:25:37
Joe Smith: Quote

Bishop Nazir Ali is a Bounty Bar! The question people need to ask him if Bible is the word of God! Than why are people turning away from the Bible and the church! Instead they are turning to Hoy Quran and Masjid!
(5) 2008-01-07 22:18:02
Colin: Quote

What people like Azaad don't understand is that the passage of time in the UK - in the West in general - has made the native medieval Christianity totally untenable and that the overwhelming majority of the descendants of Medieval Christians are glad those times are gone for ever. What they resent at the same time is to see another, non-native, Medievel religion - Islam - come sailing into their midst and remind them of forgotten, outdated and often dreadful customs and beliefs.
(6) 2008-01-07 23:40:44
Clyde Fraiser: Quote

Liberal Anglican Church dying: Well that is true but thank God Biblical Christianity is alive and well around the world.
(7) 2008-01-08 02:03:03
K. Urban: Quote

The Bishop is now in a line of immigrant social climbers who want to say this sort of thing to aggrandise their own positions.

As a leader, which he is clearly not, he should be bringing this great Country together, not causing divisiveness for his own personal publicity and advancement.

Perhaps he should read the anti-immigrant comments that have been the unfortunate result of his article in that Tory newspaper The Telegraph. The silly Bishop has shot himself in the foot. And Jackboots Richard Littlejohn has waded in to have a go at Muslims, Blacks and immigrants in that other Conservative paper the Daily Mail in an article entitled ‘‘Britain's 'no go' zones? Don't even go there’ ’.
No doubt the Tories will now tell those papers to cool off in the run up to the general elections.

I understand that whilst Bishop Nazir-Ali comments were being published it was reported that he had scuttled off abroad like a rabbit. The cowardly Bishop Nazir-Ali has jumped to bully the Muslims just as his Master Jesus was bullied all those years ago.
As an aside, on my doing a spell check on the words ‘‘Nazir-Ali’’ the computer came up with the suggestion ‘‘Nazi’’ several times.
Nazi- Ali is in good company with Littlejohn. Littlejohn does it for the money, the Bishop wants to go up the ladder and push off his boss, who happens to be that rather decent man Archbishop Rowan-Williams.
(8) 2008-01-08 09:32:16
shan: Quote

I think it would be better for the church clergy to give this gentleman a gentle nudge to show him the door.
if he is blaming muslims for lack of christian worship what next,the busses are not on time so it must be the fault of the muslims.
(9) 2008-01-08 10:32:55
azaad: Quote

In the dying days of the British Raj, Indians began to be promoted to important positions within the police force, civil service etc., since the British realised it wasn't worth having.

Could it be that, similarly the C of E is now appointing non-white
'Bishops'. Traditionally Bishops were the 2nd sons of Aristocratic families, and had the right to sit in the House of Lords. Now that the House of Lords is being systematically altered into being an elected chamber, the Bishoprics are becoming increasingly pointless.

Abu Haadiya, above has made a very good point: let Michael go, in 'civvy street' to an all white area of Blackburn/Bradford and see if someone shouts out '**** *ff Paki!' within the first 5 minutes.

As for Colin, above, to some extent I agree that the British public do not want Islam imposed upon them; but no one IS doing that. There are so-called 'Islamic' customs that even I don't agree with, such as the full facial veil. But that is a very small minority of the global Muslim population, AND only a few British Muslim women wear the full veil anyway.

As for Christianity: we don't know what that is any way, because we don't know what Jesus said. All we have is four (anonymous), unauthorised, biographies plus a few assorted letters (mostly unsolicited) from one self-appointed 'Christian' to someone else.

What is essentially a 'salvation syndrome', i.e. a psychiatric condition, passes for a religion. (Ask any born again Christian and he/she will tell you a story along these lines:'I was a drug addict/prostitute/murderer/thief (or similar low life) and all-round worthless piece of nothing, until I accepted Jesus into MY life and now I am born again. Jesus saved ME. God loves ME. 'I' have a relationship with God'). There is no spirituality (all me, me. me): its just a case of where someone with extremely low self-esteem somehow 'magicks- up’ an imaginary, super-human (and yet still 'humanoid' --'father') friend whom THEY can control (in their imagination). Thus they have the illusion of controlling events, rather than the other way around. So it is that they have the feeling of going from nothing to everything. It still is but self delusion.

What the 'Bishop' wants is to go into Muslim communities, unhindered, and delude others.
(10) 2008-01-08 10:49:52
F Cockburn: Quote

As an addition to Tahira's comment there are more racist areas where Muslims are not allowed than the other way round.
For example the area of jobs. Muslims are increasingly having to do low-paid jobs, if they are allowed a job at all.
And all this in our country which professes itself to be non-racist.
This is all the result of the hatred campaign started by Tony (or is it Tory) ''The Liar'' Blair, and continued by Bishop Nazi-Ali, as K. Urban rightly comments.
(11) 2008-01-08 11:19:16
zayba: Quote

the comments buy the likes of Littlejohn in the tabloid press are really upsetting me...its all adding to climate of fear everytime i go out i get paki or terrorist c*** yelled at me by xenophobic 'white men' ...and i live in so called 'muslim' area....and still people argue there is no such thing as islamophobia.
(12) 2008-01-08 11:46:56
hmm: Quote


As an aside, on my doing a spell check on the words ‘‘Nazir-Ali’’ the computer came up with the suggestion ‘‘Nazi’’ several times.
Nazi- Ali is in good company with Littlejohn. Littlejohn does it for the money, the Bishop wants to go up the ladder and push off his boss, who happens to be that rather decent man Archbishop Rowan-Williams.
— K. Urban


K. Urban etc.

Please dont call people names this is not islamically sound we do not gain anything by it, it is not our way, even when we have been wronged.
(13) 2008-01-08 14:11:25
Al: Quote

I wholeheartedly agree with K. Urban. I think that what he is eloquently showing is that just as the Jews were bullied in a multitude of ways by the Nazis, Muslims are today being bullied using every means, intellectual, PR, torture, military and other ways and if the methods are different, the end result death is similar. The word ‘Nazi’ thus in one word summarises the above paragraph rather well. There will be a backlash, both physical and otherwise, against Muslims as a result of Nazir-Ali's article.

Further, in response to the comment (13), we should take heed from Lord Ahmed who recently retorted that we are perfectly capable of deciding what is Islamic and what is not and thus we don't need arrogance from the Islamic ‘establishment’, the self-styled Islamic ‘scholars’, or from commentator (13) to tell us what is right and wrong in Islam.
That is a form of unacceptable pompous censorship in itself, and is not appropriate in the liberal democratic tradition that is thankfully prevalent in this great country.
(14) 2008-01-08 18:27:47
Mohammed Abbasi: Quote

Its always best to ignore such publicity seekers. Anyway I find it encouraging that our non-muslim brothers and sisters are also questioning this gentlemans words.
(15) 2008-01-08 21:10:55
Taz: Quote

The Sunday Telegraph is the thinking racist's paper of choice. It actively promotes hatred against Muslims and should be prosecuted.
(16) 2008-01-08 21:50:59
Colin: Quote

To the Muslim Public Affairs Council

Azaad, how many targets you have!!

Talking of non-white Bishops in the UK, how many white Immams have you appointed so far in the UK, or for that matter anywhere in the world?

Again, you mistake my complaint about medieval religion in the UK. No one hear can even quote the year when the last witch in England was tortured or burnt by religious zealots. Saudis executed a sorcerer only two months ago.

I’m no Christian, but I’m far more ready to believe the story of how the Gospels were written than how the Koran was. As for whether Islam is being imposed, why not ask non-Muslims in Malaysia, to mention but one place, about that? They’re turning the screw there year by year. I don’t mind church bells – they can sound beautiful - but I would loathe the idea of priest using loudspeakers to shout me into going to church two or three times a day. Are you telling me this repulsive practice is growing in England?

I agree with your phrase, “psychiatric conditions” passing for a religion – especially applicable to zealots who pack their waistcoats or blouses with dynamite before buying a one-way ticket on a bus or tube.

As a non-believer, I admire the Bishop enormously- as an ex-Muslim he knows far more about Islam than his fellows in the wishy-washy multicultural Anglican leadership who I do not trust to defend their flocks at all.

(17) 2008-01-08 23:45:58
dude: Quote



Talking of non-white Bishops in the UK, how many white Immams have you appointed so far in the UK, or for that matter anywhere in the world?

— Colin


Look up Sheik Shoeb Webb or Hamza Yusuf or Sheik Abdullah Green to name a few. I'm sure they are white - i could be mistaken.
(18) 2008-01-09 13:33:01
shan: Quote

colin the bigot says i am no christian but i am ready to believe how the gospels were written,he is happy to hear a bell as they sound beautiful,who are you kidding colin.
the bishop is a ex shia and as to zealots packing their blouses with dynamite on a one way ticket you ill be surprised to know they had return tickets.
7/7 only a public enquiry will reveal the truth as to why one year before 7/7 occured panorama did a programme about a mock attack in exactly the way it happened,why one of the persons in the panorama programme was the person who was carrying out a drill for a mock attack and it happend exactly how they said it would in the panorama programme.
also why cameras stop working when diana gets killed and when 7/7 happens but try speeding or jumping a light and see how quickly you get a letter from big brother.
but we can quote christians torturing and killing iraqis everday for being iraqis in their own lands.
i would admire the bishop if he took of his collar and went into a bnp estate and then came back and say whether he thought there were no go areas for asians and blacks and then wear his collar and go into any muslim neighborhood in the uk.
the man is a hypocrite he likes to mouth off but cannot respond when written to.
so less of the patrionisation.

(19) 2008-01-09 13:40:04
azaad: Quote

Colin

You are an excellent example of how bigotry blinds reason.

My point about non-white Bishops was that they are only now being appointed because the erstwhile institution (C of E) is considerably less powerful/influential than it was in its heyday, and is now dying on its feet (this is analogous to Indians being only appointed to important positions in the dying days of the Raj, i.e. AFTER it had been around for 150+ years!). I hope you've understood the point this time.

You say, very unconvincingly, that you are not a Christian; yet you accept the wholly spurious Bible history - giblets and all (remember it began being concocted the other side of the dark ages); you 'admire' the Bishop; and you consider the majority of C of E clergy to be 'wishy-washy'. For your information, the Quraan is not a biography, whereas the New Testament (4 Gospels) is -- and no one has ANY idea who wrote them (check out the latest 'Christian' scholarship); the Bible is, leterally a 'book', whereas the Quraan is a 'recitation'.

Also you completely failed to understand the point about born-again-Christianity (I was very specific)being not a religion but a psychiatric condition. Whereas some criminals may think that strapping explosives to themselves and blowing innocent people to smithereens is a 'religious' act (suicide is specifically a crime in Islam) It does NOT form part of the five 'pillars' of Islam.

In contrast born-again-Christians are, typically (and almost without exception) individuals who have had a terrible life-experience and they literally believe that God is a humanoid (and yet perplexingly a 'triune') entity, who also 'talks to them'. Next time you meet a B-A-Christian ask what God's voice sounds like: they will look a little taken aback and then will answer, 'well it sounds like mine really'. So who do you think is talking to whom? That's what I meant by God becoming a super(or 'supra')human,or, humamoid 'imaginary friend'. By that device a B-A-C imagines that he can control what he has absolutely no power over. And there's your delusion; there's the psychiatric condition.

In the days of slavery, sometimes a slave would beat (more severely than the master would have done) a fellow captive and upbraid the unfortunate victim loudly, all the better to ingratiate himself to his master, and to show how truly and utterly a chattel he was.

So how many heads do you think, are nodding, up and down the naves, and muttering 'Oh, HE's one of us!!'
But hark: the raven hath flown abroad, and doth croak elswhere.
(20) 2008-01-09 18:12:43
Ismail Mayat: Quote

I recall it wasn't too long ago that the bishop was in the frame along with others for arch bishop when Carey was about to step down.

However he did recieve nasty hate mail from right leaning anglicans who didnt want a non white arch bishop (Think it was in guardian article). Could this be a cynical ploy to win them over.

Bishop you are a paki just like me except im proud of it!
(21) 2008-01-10 08:18:08
musa evans: Quote

As revert new Muslim and somebody who used to have racist tendancies, Islam helped lift my veill of prefudice and bigotry. Br Azaad you make persfect sense to me...
(22) 2008-01-10 15:44:29
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