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In response to our article “The Hunt for Zio-Con Muslim Frauds” Cllr Tony Sharp seemed to take offence to the fact that we wanted to know exactly who the researcher’s were behind the report. The Cllr then has the audacity to suggest that: “MPACUK wants all Muslims to feel they are under attack when that is simply not true.”
Without deconstructing the Cllr’s definition of being ‘under attack’ it would be safe to assume that the non-Muslim Tory Cllr would know little if anything about being a Muslim in the current socio-political climate. I would be intrigued to know of his experiences of racism, his understanding of rising Islamophobia, what his feelings would be if his faith and beliefs were under attack and scrutiny daily.
One wonders did Sinclair say a word when any single Muslim in this country has been exposed or hounded by the neo-cons in the press? No then he said ‘oh good we are doing something to stop this hate speech’. Yet when we, the Muslims, do the same, when they spread hate about us, if we ever stand up for ourselves, then this man has the cheek to accuse us of ‘inciting murder no less!’
Isn’t it fascinating to note the double-standards of these self-proclaimed liberals; what is more disturbing is that they are elected members of our government. Policy Exchange’s puerile defence of this shoddy report rested on the credentials of the author and the conspicuous 8 ‘Muslim’ researchers. The author, Denis MacEoin is a self confessed pro-Israeli Zionist who is quite open about his ‘negative feelings’ towards Islam; As for the 8 Muslim researchers, no-one knows who are they are let alone their credentials. Yet we are expected to accept their findings as authentic? On what merit? The Newsnight report expertly exposed the forgery that underpinned the ‘research’ conducted by these so-called ‘professionals’. The Director of Policy Exchange, Dean Godson himself, was unable to contest the findings of the report, let alone articulate a coherent response in his interview. Not challenging the forgery of the receipts in question, Dean Godson went on to suggest that in fact the forgeries were inconsequential to him and the report, because he was certain that many mosques in Britain do possess inflammatory material anyway. "The receipts are not, however, mentioned in the report and the report's findings do not rely upon their existence. The report relies instead on the testimony of our research team." (Policy Exchange Press Release 12.12.07) So the report does not rely on facts? Is that what Mr Godson is telling us? And in addition to that, we’re not allowed to know who the research team are, let alone question the validity of their research…? Because if we do so, we are accused of being “Intimidating”. “But in cases like this they adopt an unpleasant aura and resort to intimidatory tactics to bully those people deemed to have offended their fragile sensibilities.” (Cllr Tony Sharp) Fragile sensibilities Cllr? If you deem the inability to tolerate lies, as being of fragile disposition, then so be it. We cannot and will not tolerate the unwarranted and baseless lies peddled about Muslims and Islam; we will not stand in silence while our beliefs are vilified and our way of life scrutinised.    Readers have left 14 comments.
ehs:
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Well, the existence of 'hate material' in Mosque bookshops is not contested as to its existence as defined by the report. What is contested is how many Mosque bookshops are selling it. While some dodgy receipts were found they did not account for all receipts. What seems likely is either that receipts were not properly obtained or that the researchers scammed Policy Exchange for monetary gain. Remember, that Inayat Bunglawala defended the existence of the literature. He never said it didn't exist.
The call to 'out' the researchers is sinister and threatening. Anonymity is required in order that they may live amongst the Muslim Community. You cannot predict any individual response that might range from remonstrating with a researcher in the street to physical violence. You published the names of shops who sold Israeli dates and people even commented on how they confronted the shops. I understand that the police in Manchester had to consider whether your article might be incitement. MPAC UK is NOT the Law in the UK and it takes a very dangerous position in my opinion.
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2007-12-19 07:45:54
AA:
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It is the policy exchange that takes a dangerous position IMO. Are THEY the law?
Some dodgy receipts? You mean you are ok with "Some dodgy receipts"??? It all looks like a scam to make Muslims look bad and incite hatred towards muslims.
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2007-12-19 09:30:41
Neil:
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It seems Charles Moore, Chairman of Policy Exchange is sending his muppets to this website!
Stop changing the subject. The point is they deliberately mislead the people of the UK. Why is the Policy Exchange denying the rigged the receipts? Its simple. If you accuse a mosque that they are selling extremist literature then you have to prove it. And teh only way you can prove it is either its video recorded or there are receipts. The receipts were fake, dodgy and fraudlent. Its a criminal offence and this so called charity should be stripped off its Charity Status and the research director sent to jail! Well, the existence of 'hate material' in Mosque bookshops is not contested as to its existence as defined by the report. What is contested is how many Mosque bookshops are selling it. While some dodgy receipts were found they did not account for all receipts. What seems likely is either that receipts were not properly obtained or that the researchers scammed Policy Exchange for monetary gain. Remember, that Inayat Bunglawala defended the existence of the literature. He never said it didn't exist. — ehsThe call to 'out' the researchers is sinister and threatening. Anonymity is required in order that they may live amongst the Muslim Community. You cannot predict any individual response that might range from remonstrating with a researcher in the street to physical violence. You published the names of shops who sold Israeli dates and people even commented on how they confronted the shops. I understand that the police in Manchester had to consider whether your article might be incitement. MPAC UK is NOT the Law in the UK and it takes a very dangerous position in my opinion.
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2007-12-19 10:06:21
you muppet:
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I want to know what Micheal Gove MP the founder and on the Tory front bench will do about distancing himself from this fiasco that Policy Exchange has plonked itself in.
Or is this a very Tory reaction or firstly demonising Muslims and then ensuring that they can't defend themselves.
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2007-12-19 10:06:43
Che Guevara:
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And what about the hatred and violence Policy Exchange are inciting.
Blaming innocent mosques of selling extremist literature, when it is quite clear that they faked receipts, will create tension in the community and will cause non muslims to vandalise the mosques! There are hundreds of cases of islamaphobic attacks on mosques and such false and lies contribute towards that. Or let me guess, someone who can't think for himself and been sent by the Policy Exchange to write a comment here, can't see that. Can't you? You just can't stand the fact that MPAC and muslims are standing up for themselves. You just want us to stay quiet, shut-up, not get involved in democracy, not get involved in british life. Only then you will be hapy! British means to stand up to justice. Policy Exchange needs to be bought to justice and should be closed down! Well, the existence of 'hate material' in Mosque bookshops is not contested as to its existence as defined by the report. What is contested is how many Mosque bookshops are selling it. While some dodgy receipts were found they did not account for all receipts. What seems likely is either that receipts were not properly obtained or that the researchers scammed Policy Exchange for monetary gain. Remember, that Inayat Bunglawala defended the existence of the literature. He never said it didn't exist. — ehsThe call to 'out' the researchers is sinister and threatening. Anonymity is required in order that they may live amongst the Muslim Community. You cannot predict any individual response that might range from remonstrating with a researcher in the street to physical violence. You published the names of shops who sold Israeli dates and people even commented on how they confronted the shops. I understand that the police in Manchester had to consider whether your article might be incitement. MPAC UK is NOT the Law in the UK and it takes a very dangerous position in my opinion.
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2007-12-19 10:24:11
Anti Policy Exchange:
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Cameron and conservatives have to disassociate themselves from Policy Exchange.
Policy Exchange is the Conservative's favourite think tank, and has had Cameron to speak very recently. It is almost the research arm of the Conservative Party. This report calls into question Policy Exchange's other reports, and, of course, with it, Tory policies. Policy Exchange deliberately and intentionally faked receipts. Policy exchange's behavour is utterly morally abhorrent and since the Tories have said very little on the subject, we can only assume that the Tories approve of such abhorrent behavoir.
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2007-12-19 10:32:14
Stop Hatred Against Muslims:
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What utter nonsence. MPAC isn't inciting violence. If anyone is, its the Policy Exchange.
This is a falsified research that can and has already caused signifigant racial tensions and soon could could threaten the wellbeing of this country's citizens. Muslim Citizens What the difference to what MPAC is doing and what the tabloids do all the time, exposing people, asking for its readers for help to find people! The authenticity of this report is based on prrof and evidence. If tomorrow someone did a report (Doubt that would happen) saying extremist/seperatist literature was bought in a church or synagogue. You will want to have proof! Proof and evidence it was bought! Now what wrong are MPAC and newsnight doing? Well, the existence of 'hate material' in Mosque bookshops is not contested as to its existence as defined by the report. What is contested is how many Mosque bookshops are selling it. While some dodgy receipts were found they did not account for all receipts. What seems likely is either that receipts were not properly obtained or that the researchers scammed Policy Exchange for monetary gain. Remember, that Inayat Bunglawala defended the existence of the literature. He never said it didn't exist. — ehsThe call to 'out' the researchers is sinister and threatening. Anonymity is required in order that they may live amongst the Muslim Community. You cannot predict any individual response that might range from remonstrating with a researcher in the street to physical violence. You published the names of shops who sold Israeli dates and people even commented on how they confronted the shops. I understand that the police in Manchester had to consider whether your article might be incitement. MPAC UK is NOT the Law in the UK and it takes a very dangerous position in my opinion.
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2007-12-19 10:41:38
shan:
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The politicians cannot allow their campaign of demonising muslims to be shown up.
i think after watching make me a muslim it is apparent the media villification is having a effect and the best way to counter that is to show programmes about muslims living everday life and how they have the same concerns and problems as other citizens in paying the bills and keeping a roof over your head. BTW since the leader of the conservatives calls himself a zionist what do you expect from his followers.
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2007-12-19 12:02:37
Barbarossa:
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Well, the existence of 'hate material' in Mosque bookshops is not contested as to its existence as defined by the report. What is contested is how many Mosque bookshops are selling it. While some dodgy receipts were found they did not account for all receipts. What seems likely is either that receipts were not properly obtained or that the researchers scammed Policy Exchange for monetary gain. Remember, that Inayat Bunglawala defended the existence of the literature. He never said it didn't exist. — ehsThe call to 'out' the researchers is sinister and threatening. Anonymity is required in order that they may live amongst the Muslim Community. You cannot predict any individual response that might range from remonstrating with a researcher in the street to physical violence. You published the names of shops who sold Israeli dates and people even commented on how they confronted the shops. I understand that the police in Manchester had to consider whether your article might be incitement. MPAC UK is NOT the Law in the UK and it takes a very dangerous position in my opinion. Sorry typical Zionist racist response. How Islamaphobic to assume that they will be attacked - what because Muslims are pre programmed to violence? Stereotypes are not helping your case, but exposing your pro Israel agenda. As for the police thinking about acting over the Israeli date campaign ...(exactly how do you know..is it because your Zio Nazi group asked them to act, but failed?) You should be arrested for waisting Police time. Every single day pro Israel members of the press try to expose Muslim men and women ... thats ok, as long as they are Muslim then it is fine to let the world know every last detail ?? Your pro Israel credentials are written in every line you write - you have once again been outed!
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2007-12-19 12:05:32
Iman Samir:
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As salaam alaikum everyone
Folks I have to be honest here. I stopped voting for the Labour Party over the Iraq war. In the 2005 election I did not vote. I could not support BLIAR. I thought the Lib Dems was a wasted vote as a 3rd party and I did not vote Respect because I do not believe in the marginalisaion of Muslims in a democracy. I could have voted Conservative but I could not bear to put my tick against the Tory blue torch. Since David Cameron and Syeeda Warsi have been leading the party, I have seriously thought about joining them. I thought finally the Conservatives are making an effort with the Muslim community. The Labour Party is oversupplied with Muslims but it was the Conservatives who recognised Muslim talent that was Ms Warsi. But now I am not so sure after the support of the Conservative Pary for the Policy Exchange. The raeson this whole newsnight report was so distressing was because it was FABRICATING EVIDENCE. And the Conservative Party support Policy Exchange. I was not happy to read that Boris Johnson gave a speech at the Policy Exchange yesterday. He is their London mayor candidate. I was not happy to read the founder and director is Michael Gove MP, Conservative Party shadow minister for education. Before I commit myslef to the 'new' conservatives, I will want to see public comdenation of Policy Exchange by Micheal Gove & Boris Johnson. If it doesn't come then I know that the Conservative Party has not changed and 'Ms Warsi, the Conservative Muslim' is just a token gesture by David Cameron. I can deliver my mosque voters to the Conservatives or I can listen more closley to Mr Brown.
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2007-12-19 17:54:51
Tania:
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I have just read the comment of ehs. Oh please what a waste of police time and tax payers money that would have been. Manchester police looked into whether MPAC article was incitement?
I thought we lived in a country which worships Freedom of Speech and the right for the consumer to be aware of the origins of the produce they buy.
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2007-12-19 18:03:13
Imam Samir:
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As salaam alaikum
Folks I have just read the rest of your website and i am sorry that I am guilty as every other muslim for not doing anything and instead expecting other Muslims to do the research and spoonfeed me. So I have doen my own research. Above readers will see that I have asked for a reaction to the Policy Exchange fabrcation and falsehood by Boris Johnson and Micheal Gove. To me these men are important because they are very close to Mr Cameron. My dear Muslims, please write a short email asking for their reaction to the PE lies. It is now xmas but I was told by the House of Parliament switcboard who gave me the email addresses that I can email mssers Gove & Johnson now and they will see my emails when the MPs return to work after xmas. govem@parliament.uk johnsonb@parliament.uk My fellow muslims, the good name of our mosques has been dragged through the mud. I pray to Allah (swt) that my mosque is never attacked in this way. But to do that, we must stop the demonisation of muslims and this is a first step. Please write to the MPs. MPAC - I hope that you will publish some of the replies of the MPs. I hope you do not mind this humble Imam's efforts on your website.
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2007-12-19 18:15:44
Dr Gabriele Marranci:
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Dear all,
as far as the fact that the receipts were irrelevant is concerned, you can read the weak defense that in November Dr MacEoin mounted against my questions on the report, "Oh, this is so silly. The report makes it clear that teams of young Mudslims [sic] visited the mosques and bought or were given the materials that served as the basis for the study. They obtained receipts everywhere they went. With the help of an advisory committee, I organized the material, identifying offensive passages where they occurred. Some were in English, some were translated from Arabic. The offensive passages are now in the public forum, and the report identifies the places whjere [sic] they were found. I don’t doubt this could all be refined, but that wasn’t our purpose. All we did was show that offensive and hate material was available in around a quarter of the premises visited." you can read the rest on my Blog Best wishes Gabriele http://marranci.wordpress.com
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2007-12-19 19:02:37
rms:
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I have just read the comment of ehs. Oh please what a waste of police time and tax payers money that would have been. Manchester police looked into whether MPAC article was incitement? — TaniaI thought we lived in a country which worships Freedom of Speech and the right for the consumer to be aware of the origins of the produce they buy. As even George Galloway says "Freedom of speech does not mean to are free to shout Fire in a cinema!". Neither are you free to say things which may put people in danger or encourage action which may lead to violence (that would be incitement). Consumers are free to enquire in a shop where the origin of the goods are and then make a choice themselves, not be dictated-to by anyones else.
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2007-12-22 10:47:05
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In the latest twist to this saga, a Conservative Cllr’s hysterical rant attacks MPACUK for challenging the public discredited Policy Exchange report: Hijacking British Islam (2007).
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