| The Hate Preachers In The Daily Mail Now Attack Muslim Patients |
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They have also been told they must ensure that fresh water is to be provided during each prayer session throughout the day. The scheme is set to cause huge disruption among NHS staff who say that they are already over-stretched trying to cope with crowded wards. Hospital staff in West Yorkshire must make sure Muslim patients' beds face in the direction of Mecca, in Saudi Arabia And the tax-payer has also been told they will have to foot the bill for several hundred nurses to take part in training sessions designed to aide understanding of the Muslim faith. The move is being undertaken at Dewsbury and District hospital in West Yorkshire where NHS trust bosses have dismissed the furore saying it will ensure a 'more comfortable stay in hospital' for Muslims. One nurse has claimed that staff at the hospital are becoming frantic as they try and keep up with the task of turning beds for the huge amount of Muslim patients', and which they say is causing tension with non-muslim patients. "It would be easier to create Muslim-only wards with every bed facing Mecca than have to deal with this," one nurse said. "Some people might think that it is not that big a deal, but we have a huge Muslim population in Dewsbury and if we are having to turn dozens of beds to face Mecca five times a day, plus provide running water for them to wash before and after prayers, it is bound to impact on the essential medical service we are supposed to be providing. "Although the beds are designed to be moved, the bays are not really suitable for having loads of beds moved around to face a different direction, and despite our best efforts it does cause disruption for non-Muslim patients." Senior MPs yesterday condemned the move saying that hospitals should instead be concentrating on tackling the problems of MRSA and other infections that are spreading in some wards. Conservative MP David Davies said: "Hospitals should be concentrating on stopping the spread of infections that kow-towing to the politically correct brigade. "If the need for fresh running water is so great then perhaps family members could be on hand to assist the already overworked medical staff." The news comes after a series of measures designed to appease Muslim hospital staff and patients were introduced to hospitals across the country. Last year, some NHS hospitals introduced a burka-style gown for patients who did not want medical staff to see their face in accordance with strict Islamic laws. Now there have also been suggestions that Dewsbury hospital will introduce new rules that forbid male doctors from operating on, or caring for female Muslim patients. Catherine Briggs, chief matron at Dewsbury and District hospital said that the move had been introduced after a series of meetings with local asian GPs and patient groups over how to improve their service for minority patients. She denied that hospital staff were struggling to cope with the changes and instead said that the new plans would be better for minority patients. "Some of our former Muslim patients suggested that a more informed understanding of the Islamic cultures would help staff to further improve their service." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770
   Readers have left 38 comments.
TeddyBear:
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Why 'Hate Preachers"?
Where have you demonstrated that the story is false? Are newspapers NOT allowed to report FACTS? As Ruth Kelly said in her speech. "Being part of the British culture is to accept that you might be offended". Why do the facts offend so much?
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2007-12-05 00:03:32
I Sidat:
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teddy Bear who ever you are? Are you Islamaphobic? do you not like muslims? is there a problem? can i help to answer your questions?
Am sayiong this because in every thread your attitude has been very abrasive towards muslims, the above article is sick, disgusting and untrue. Also since when did newspaper start prinitng facts? ever heard of the word editing - yeah its a big one once a report is in its edited to suit the newspaper style so if it wants to be a ti islamic then it will. And if the above is true then those patients or muslims are being stupid because Islam does provide alternatives and am pretty sure like all running water, its clean
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2007-12-05 00:17:45
Charlie:
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Sidat, the article is true. Even though this doesn't happen in Saudi Arabia, or anywhere else in the middle east, it is to start happening here.
Many patients have to wait hours to receive their medication, or even be turned over to avoid bed sores. Now this will mean further disruption.
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2007-12-05 00:52:43
Tahira:
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The Daily Mail needs reminding that Muslims are tax-payers and are entitled to public services that meet out needs just as much as everyone else is. It's also worth pointing out that Muslim doctors and nurses and other professionals make a huge contribution to the NHS. It's scary that this degree of Islamophobia is going unchallenged.
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2007-12-05 00:56:43
Tahira:
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Just look at the inflammatory language - measures to "APPEASE" Muslims as if Muslims are an aggressive threat. Appeasement is a word with strong associations with 1930s policies toward Hitler, and implies Muslim patients and staff are a nazi-like threat!
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2007-12-05 01:00:32
Red Devil:
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I would like my bed turned to face Old Trafford Stadium five times a day.
I have a deeply held and profound belief in Manchester United. My beliefs deserve equal treatment and respect as anybody elses.
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2007-12-05 02:08:18
TeddyBear:
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The Daily Mail needs reminding that Muslims are tax-payers and are entitled to public services that meet out needs just as much as everyone else is. It's also worth pointing out that Muslim doctors and nurses and other professionals make a huge contribution to the NHS. It's scary that this degree of Islamophobia is going unchallenged. — TahiraAll peaople should be reminded that the staff in the NHS have enough to do with saving lives and should not be distracted from that essential task that benefits ALL patients irrespective of race or religion by a completely uneccessary activity. Anyone who is uncomfortable with the idea that the NHS is there to save lives and not pander to religious eccentricities should seek the nearest private hospital where their every whim can be catered-for. I believe this is one of those stories where a stupid authority has pre-determined what Muslims might want and has actually implemented something that Muslims never asked-for. If anyone is to be told off its the health authority who have mindlessly made a feature of thios aspect to their services. There is nothing wrong with the story (which is true). What is wrong is that some senior Muslims haven't come out against the health authority and criticised the decision. You know its wrong, don't you? As a taxpayer I want to insist that my meals are provided by the local fish & chip shop and that all nurses attending me should have very short skirts. As a taxpayer I demand my rights.
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2007-12-05 07:26:02
TeddyBear:
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Oh wait a minute!
"Catherine Briggs, chief matron at Dewsbury and District hospital said that the move had been introduced after a series of meetings with local asian GPs and patient groups over how to improve their service for minority patients. " Ah, so the health authority took advice, presumably from Muslims. I now suggest they go to see the local Rabbi and ask how they might change the menu to incorporate more smoked salmon, bagels and salt-beef.
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2007-12-05 07:29:35
I Sidat:
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Sidat, the article is true. Even though this doesn't happen in Saudi Arabia, or anywhere else in the middle east, it is to start happening here. — CharlieMany patients have to wait hours to receive their medication, or even be turned over to avoid bed sores. Now this will mean further disruption. arn't these cheap jibes a way to attack muslims? it's not true, again newspapers go under editing to suit the editor, this is an indirect attack on muslims because where ever i go muslims know the issues and live with it, again if its true then those muslims are being stupid islam is not that strict that it says you have to do certain things if your ill again there are alternatives this applies to all muslims no matter where they are
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2007-12-05 07:39:46
you muppet:
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i don't believe it, its like the muslims canceling xmas story.
or how about Muslim doctros refusing to treat drunks.. or how about...muslims refusing to buy insurance...or pay TV licences...or eat pork!
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2007-12-05 08:52:07
Yakoub/Julaybib:
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If you read the story carefully, it actually says nurses are only to do this if people ask and if pressure of work permits. Which means it aint gonna happen that much, given the workload of your average nurse.
This is what academics call 'new racism' - the bogus idea that we shouldn't give minorities 'special treatment', when the reality is society is arranged in a way which favours the majority (white, middle class, non-religious) and marginalises everyone else. The real story, though, is how come no one in health knows this, anyway - perhaps it's because the percentage of health admin and senior nurses who are Muslim is much lower than the percentage of Brits who are Muslims (see also teaching). That's called old racism.
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2007-12-05 09:36:34
shan:
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here goes the bigoted full of hate brigade again,so a muslim goes into hospital and while there he wishes to worship,if he is to weak to move out of his bed,then the nurses will help with what he requires,if he requires to pray then his bed will be turned to a angle,how long will this take,same as if a person wanted a glass of water.
these people full of hatred are the same ones,who will be in favour of not treating over weight people or people who are told your diet is wrong or people who have been involved in fracas after drinking. there are some people who are inherently bigoted and full of hatred,they just need a outlet it does not matter who is at the receiving end.
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2007-12-05 10:18:59
Taz:
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The newspapers have a record of lying about Muslims and the NHS remember the old chestnut about soldiers being abused by Muslims in a hospital. Apparently a completely false story and the hospital concerned complained to the newspaper.
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2007-12-05 10:21:15
TeddyBear:
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Sidat, the article is true. Even though this doesn't happen in Saudi Arabia, or anywhere else in the middle east, it is to start happening here. — I SidatMany patients have to wait hours to receive their medication, or even be turned over to avoid bed sores. Now this will mean further disruption. arn't these cheap jibes a way to attack muslims? it's not true, again newspapers go under editing to suit the editor, this is an indirect attack on muslims because where ever i go muslims know the issues and live with it, again if its true then those muslims are being stupid islam is not that strict that it says you have to do certain things if your ill again there are alternatives this applies to all muslims no matter where they are I 100% agree with you on this one. Issues such as this one are easy targets for the newspapers who are concerned that what they perceive as erosion of British Way of Life. I am 100% sure that any Muslim who is in hospital is more interested in getting well and not asking fro something extra that takes staff away from their more vital duties. It is unfortunate that the people who made these provisions didn't think first.
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2007-12-05 10:38:47
irfghan:
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I 100% agree with you on this one. Issues such as this one are easy targets for the newspapers who are concerned that what they perceive as erosion of British Way of Life. I am 100% sure that any Muslim who is in hospital is more interested in getting well and not asking fro something extra that takes staff away from their more vital duties. — TeddyBearIt is unfortunate that the people who made these provisions didn't think first. First of all no-one has made provisions to move the beds of Muslim patients 5 times a day. It's not true. What is true is that one hospital in Dewsbury has decided that if a seriously ill Muslim pateint wants their bed turned towards Mecca then the hospitl will do that for them. Just as seriously ill pateints may be assissted in attending the hospital chapel etc. Secondly, because this was a story in the Express and the Mail about Muslims it is by default an exxageration and a half truth. Thirdly, yes, MPACUK should have debunked the story and not just have posted it up in full. Read the same story as reported by AFP and the BBC. Now compare to the Express, Mail, Star, and Telegraph. Do you see the exageration? Do you see the lies?
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2007-12-05 11:22:12
shem:
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Replace 'Muslim' with 'Jew' in some of these stories and (if you have a sense of history) you can appreciate the level of unease felt by many Muslims. It's just a shame that so much worse vilification goes on of Jews in the Arab press and in Saudi/Hamas school books. All this should stop - it only leads to more confrontation (which is, of course, what some on both sides want).
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2007-12-05 12:03:20
irfghan:
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There is nothing wrong with the story (which is true). — TeddyBearHow did you reach that conclusion?
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2007-12-05 12:23:11
shan:
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SHEM i can agree with your sentiments as from day one i have always stated if you do the crime you do the time not your family or community.
as to arab newspapers they are doing what the rulers of their nations want,they are not doing anything concrete to help palestinians so they allow people to be fooled by such slogans that you say occur. what is required is justice,one nation for all jews-muslims-christians like it was before.
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2007-12-05 12:57:01
wendy mann:
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Tracey McErlain-Burns, chief nurse and director of patient experience at Mid Yorkshire NHS Trust, which runs the hospital, said: "In the context of responding to requests from patients and families, particularly when faced with a very ill patient, it is entirely reasonable that nurses consider all practical steps to meet a patient's cultural or religious needs.
"This may include adjusting the position of the bed, or escorting the patient to the chapel or faith centre." She denied that nurses were being removed from other duties in order to move beds. bbc news headlines the story as follows "Hospital staff turn beds to Mecca" now why isnt it a positive headline about nhs meeting cultural needs of peoples of this country
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2007-12-05 19:05:35
TeddyBear:
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Tracey McErlain-Burns, chief nurse and director of patient experience at Mid Yorkshire NHS Trust, which runs the hospital, said: "In the context of responding to requests from patients and families, particularly when faced with a very ill patient, it is entirely reasonable that nurses consider all practical steps to meet a patient's cultural or religious needs. — wendy mann"This may include adjusting the position of the bed, or escorting the patient to the chapel or faith centre." She denied that nurses were being removed from other duties in order to move beds. bbc news headlines the story as follows "Hospital staff turn beds to Mecca" now why isnt it a positive headline about nhs meeting cultural needs of peoples of this country It is absurd to use a nurse to move a bed towards Mecca and waste nurses resources. I'm sure Allah understands the impractibility of it. If a family wants to move the bed or accompany their relative to a place of worship then we would all support that AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT IMPACT ON THE DISCOMFORT OF OTHER PATIENTS. What we are talking about is a shared community where other patients have the right to rest and not be troubled by moving beds.
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2007-12-06 07:58:50
shem:
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shem:
"one nation for all jews-muslims-christians like it was before" I'm not sure quite when you are talking about? Has it ever been like that? I don't think so. Tell me. And who decides when this 'when' is chosen. But lets not have this conversation as I know what you think already . you routinely deny the Jews ties to the land of Israel both historically and today. You even go so far the unhinged rob and suggest that most jews aren't actually jews. so with those views there's not much to discuss.
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2007-12-06 09:13:13
shan:
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yes it has been like that except for brief periods of history when crusaders occupied jerusalem and know zionists.
once the crusader were sent packing jews-muslims and christians got back to their daily lives,i am sure when zionists learn to give back what they stole then people can get back to living their lives. it seems zionists do not like talking baout a just solution.
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2007-12-06 10:23:37
zayba:
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this is all a lie there was no policy just usual suspects using a press release to whip up hysteria the Daily Star hve even maneaged to blame this for some woman dying! What teh NHS have said:Media coverage - 4 December 2007
A number of media have today ran an entirely inaccurate story claiming that we have ordered staff to move Muslim patients’ beds to face towards Mecca. This has stemmed from the above press release. We wanted to make sure that you understand the correct position and this story is completely untrue. Tracey McErlain-Burns, our chief nurse and director of patient experience, said: “Our statement has been wrongly interpreted. The Muslim Moulana at Dewsbury and District Hospital is holding internal workshops for nurses to help develop their cultural understanding. Nurses are not being removed from their duties to move patients’ beds towards Mecca. Moving patients’ beds for prayer five times a day has not been suggested as part of this workshop and staff have not been ordered to do this. “In the context of responding to requests from patients and families, particularly when faced with a very ill patient, it is entirely reasonable that nurses consider all practical steps to meet a patient’s cultural or religious needs. This may include adjusting the position of the bed, or escorting the patient to the chapel or faith centre.” See islamophobia-watch.com
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2007-12-06 10:38:29
Barbarossa:
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shem: — shem"one nation for all jews-muslims-christians like it was before" I'm not sure quite when you are talking about? Has it ever been like that? I don't think so. Tell me. And who decides when this 'when' is chosen. But lets not have this conversation as I know what you think already . you routinely deny the Jews ties to the land of Israel both historically and today. You even go so far the unhinged rob and suggest that most jews aren't actually jews. so with those views there's not much to discuss. What a surprise, you hide behind a made up smear of anti-Semitism and then say 'oh that’s why I can’t discuss it.' Discussion by the oppressor is always cumbersome, what’s their to discuss? – the oppressed do not hold the power – listening to them is pointless. The difference here is that Zionists use anti-Semitism as a cloak, and then at the same time sully and cheapen the word. The invisible cloak is no longer working, so then they use the rod, powerful attacks against anyone who does not recognise the powers of the cloak.
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2007-12-06 10:59:24
Mashfiq:
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I agree with Conservative MP David Davis regarding this particular issue. Every hospital should be seeking to address and prevent the appalling spread of infections than kow-towing to the politically correct brigade. He commented by stating: "If the need for fresh running water is so great then perhaps family members could be on hand to assist the already overworked medical staff.”
I am sure that I speak for every politician or NHS professional when I say that they are overworked and underpaid. They should not be wasting their time and resources for something that is simply irrelevant.
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2007-12-06 11:26:11
Manic:
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"GREATER Manchester Police is to run an operation to provide extra patrols and reassurance to the Jewish community during the high holy days."
"There will be additional high visibility patrols before and after services at synagogues, covering the main pedestrian routes that the Jewish communities take from their homes." Is this too a waste or resources? nah, they aren't muslim ! (http://www.prestwichandwhitefieldguide.co.uk)
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2007-12-06 13:09:47
wendy mann:
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It is absurd to use a nurse to move a bed towards Mecca and waste nurses resources. I'm sure Allah understands the impractibility of it. If a family wants to move the bed or accompany their relative to a place of worship then we would all support that AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT IMPACT ON THE DISCOMFORT OF OTHER PATIENTS. What we are talking about is a shared community where other patients have the right to rest and not be troubled by moving beds. have you noticed how in yesterdays telegraph report named the nursing individuals who were positive about the 'advice' and yet there was no specificity to the one quote that was negative. the issue and fact is that the directive was given on the basis that it would not impinge on nursing or other individuals. are you only reading the garbage from our anti semitic media?
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2007-12-06 13:45:24
shem:
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Barbarossa - are you named after Hitler's invasion of Russia and his attempts to wipe out Russian Jews?
There is no point in discussing your existence with someone who denies your right to exist, is there?
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2007-12-06 14:59:24
irfghan:
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I agree with Conservative MP David Davis regarding this particular issue. Every hospital should be seeking to address and prevent the appalling spread of infections than kow-towing to the politically correct brigade. He commented by stating: "If the need for fresh running water is so great then perhaps family members could be on hand to assist the already overworked medical staff.” — MashfiqI am sure that I speak for every politician or NHS professional when I say that they are overworked and underpaid. They should not be wasting their time and resources for something that is simply irrelevant. Then you'll be happy to know that nurses won't be made to waste their time becuase the story is untrue and David Davies is a gullible MP looking to get his name in the paper.
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2007-12-06 15:11:12
shem:
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shan:
I think you're misunderstand the concept of a 'Nation' - Palestine has never been a 'Nation'. If, now or since the 1960s, there is a feeling of 'National' identity amongst Palestinians then it is a very new idea simply because 'Palestine' historically has never been, I repeat, a 'Nation'. I don't mean this in a nasty way but a good Dictionary of Political Thought (amazon will list many) would be very useful for you - it will explain the political meaning of concepts such as the 'Nation'.
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2007-12-06 15:12:07
shan:
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shem we can play with words allday long, your concept of nation will be diffrent from another persons.
the palestinian concept of nation is geographical,with others its based on shared language or racial bonds. if we use your logic then until a 100 years ago half or two thirds of nations did not exist,so that means the people living in those nations did not exist either than. Anyway why do you find it hard to accept the solution of one nation for all in palestine.
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2007-12-06 15:25:11
TeddyBear:
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shem: — Barbarossa"one nation for all jews-muslims-christians like it was before" I'm not sure quite when you are talking about? Has it ever been like that? I don't think so. Tell me. And who decides when this 'when' is chosen. But lets not have this conversation as I know what you think already . you routinely deny the Jews ties to the land of Israel both historically and today. You even go so far the unhinged rob and suggest that most jews aren't actually jews. so with those views there's not much to discuss. What a surprise, you hide behind a made up smear of anti-Semitism and then say 'oh that’s why I can’t discuss it.' Discussion by the oppressor is always cumbersome, what’s their to discuss? – the oppressed do not hold the power – listening to them is pointless. The difference here is that Zionists use anti-Semitism as a cloak, and then at the same time sully and cheapen the word. The invisible cloak is no longer working, so then they use the rod, powerful attacks against anyone who does not recognise the powers of the cloak. Of course, you realise that the symbolism of "the cloak" is another Der Sturmer image of Jews being mysterious and manipulative. Well done! You disguised your Antisemitic imagery behind an article about how Jews use Antisemitism. Clever! But not clever enough for me.
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2007-12-06 19:37:13
M:
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What do you expect from the paper with its racist history?
In early 1934 Mail was sympathetic to Oswald Mosley and the British Union of Fascists. The Mail wrote in an article, "Hurrah for the Blackshirts", in January 1934, in which he praised Mosley for his "sound, commonsense, Conservative doctrine". The Mail was a supporter of both Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler, which influenced the Mail's political stance towards them up to 1939.
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2007-12-07 01:43:53
Manic:
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This teddy bear dude is hilarious everything you say is construed to be anti-Semitic. I have to congratulate you on your single most ability to contort everything to anti-Semitism. Try arguing through rationale thought it may help.
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2007-12-07 07:42:25
manic:
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Barbarossa - are you named after Hitler's invasion of Russia and his attempts to wipe out Russian Jews? — shemThere is no point in discussing your existence with someone who denies your right to exist, is there? Barbarossa was elected King of Germany, who embarked upon the Third Crusade, but being a Zionist I guess you thing everything revolves around you.
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2007-12-07 07:46:37
manic:
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shan: — shemI think you're misunderstand the concept of a 'Nation' - Palestine has never been a 'Nation'. If, now or since the 1960s, there is a feeling of 'National' identity amongst Palestinians then it is a very new idea simply because 'Palestine' historically has never been, I repeat, a 'Nation'. I don't mean this in a nasty way but a good Dictionary of Political Thought (amazon will list many) would be very useful for you - it will explain the political meaning of concepts such as the 'Nation'. "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So, it's simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army." David Ben Gurion - first Prime Minister of Israel.
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2007-12-07 07:49:55
manic:
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"GREATER Manchester Police is to run an operation to provide extra patrols and reassurance to the Jewish community during the high holy days." — Manic"There will be additional high visibility patrols before and after services at synagogues, covering the main pedestrian routes that the Jewish communities take from their homes." Is this too a waste or resources? nah, they aren't muslim ! The irony is that my local mosque has had its windows smashed on numerous occasions, amongst other acts of vandalism. Eventually we had to resort to wire meshes in order to protect them. Yet if we had the audacity to ask for special police patrols around our local mosque, it would be construed as favouritism, appeasement & a waste of police resources. You can bet it would also make the front page of Rupert Murdoch The Sun & Times.
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2007-12-07 08:22:16
shem:
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shan
you are right, the 'Nation' is a relatively new idea in human history - look it up otherwise there is no framework for a discussion - you can't change the meaning of political concepts. This isn't 'wordplay'.
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2007-12-07 08:57:01
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Hospital staff have been told by bosses that they must break-off from their duties five times a day in order to re-arrange Muslim patients' bed so that they face in the direction of Mecca.
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