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So ponders Timothy Garton Ash in today's Guardian. He concludes that 'jihadists' is best. Certainly, this has sometimes been used in Muslim circles for those that took a fighting view of the world. My very serious hesitation is, as Garton Ash acknowledges, that jihad as a Islamic concept should serve noble purposes. It is to struggle for good. A word that has been hijacked by Al-Qaeda & Co, and all too many in the West have accepted their version of it. It's like calling the neocons 'war-ists' after what they like to do. Easy enough phrase, but doesn't really identify what the issue is all about or who is behind it. The various 'Islamic' prefixes and uses of Islamic words like 'jihad' also give too much emphasis to the religious dimension of the problem - which is something that conveniently suits those that mongered for war and refuse to acknowledge the foreign policy mistakes of decades standing in creating this form of terrorism. I prefer the phrase 'Al-Qaeda inspired terrorism'. Because that's exactly what it is. Garton Ash dismisses this for being too complicated to use. That's not a good enough reason to avoid accuracy. UPDATE: On further reflection, if Al-Qaeda inspired terrorism is too much of a mouthful for anyone like Timothy Garton Ash (funny thing for someone with a triple barrel name to say, but anyway), how about AQIT?           Readers have left 19 comments.
abdul:
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Hi MPAC - As you may or not be aware that youtube has a lot of offensive and racist material against islam and muslim people. Should you not produce a campaign agaist this?
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2007-11-24 03:57:55
Tahira:
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Absolutely agree - Jihad is an integral part of Islam, and is NOT terrorism. Jihad has strict conditions, similar to those laid out in the Geneva conventions. If terrorists target civilians they are terrorists NOT 'jihadists' (however much the individuals may try to claim they are doing jihad - all the respected scholars have made clear that terrorism is unIslamic).
I think Al-Qaeda inspired terrorism is the most accurate way of describing these atrocities.
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2007-11-24 08:49:45
New Crusader:
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And let's not forget what "Al Qaeda" is exactly: It is "the Database" that was originally set up by the CIA and which is still doing its dirty work.
Al Qaeda (Al-CIAduh!)is as much a fake as calling Muslim fighters "Jihadists". Whereas the analogy with the Neocons is far too generous because while the word Jihad is misused to describe violence, Neocons would not make a secret of being out-and-out War-ists.
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2007-11-24 10:13:11
Rob:
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Anyone who kills innocent people to obtain their land-homes-resources or just because he is diffrent from them is a terrorist.
anyone be they individuals-groups or states that use force to create fear and panic on innocent people or nations is a terrorist.
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2007-11-24 10:24:24
Samson:
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My debate is whether its "Islamic Terrorist" or "Islamist Terrorist".
When these terrorists stop shoputing "Allah Akhbar", stop making videos telling us they are doing it for an Isamist/Islamic cause and stop adorning their beheading videos with quotes from teh Koran and surrounded by Koranic verses - then we will only be left with the label Terrorist. We need to know the source in order to know where to look for them and which communities to deal with. We won't fight Islamic Terrorism without knowing its source and motivations.
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2007-11-24 10:52:04
shan:
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My debate is whether its judiac terrorism or zionist terrorism.
this is the main point we need to look at,when you have people saying the nail of a jew is worth more than a 1000 or more jews and they say they are saying this toi protect jews than what can you think apart from them being terrorists,knowing that people like him have killed tens of thousands of palestinians in the last 60 years. we need to find out what makes them tick so we can look out for them within our communities and deal with them. we wont be able to fight this judaic terrorism with out knowing its source and motivations. what makes a judaic terrorist kill and maim innocent people and claim self defence,we must get to the bottom of this thinking before we can fight this terrorism.
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2007-11-24 12:57:51
Samson:
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My debate is whether its judiac terrorism or zionist terrorism. — shanthis is the main point we need to look at,when you have people saying the nail of a jew is worth more than a 1000 or more jews and they say they are saying this toi protect jews than what can you think apart from them being terrorists,knowing that people like him have killed tens of thousands of palestinians in the last 60 years. we need to find out what makes them tick so we can look out for them within our communities and deal with them. we wont be able to fight this judaic terrorism with out knowing its source and motivations. what makes a judaic terrorist kill and maim innocent people and claim self defence,we must get to the bottom of this thinking before we can fight this terrorism. My debate is whether its judiac terrorism or zionist terrorism. — shanthis is the main point we need to look at,when you have people saying the nail of a jew is worth more than a 1000 or more jews and they say they are saying this toi protect jews than what can you think apart from them being terrorists,knowing that people like him have killed tens of thousands of palestinians in the last 60 years. we need to find out what makes them tick so we can look out for them within our communities and deal with them. we wont be able to fight this judaic terrorism with out knowing its source and motivations. what makes a judaic terrorist kill and maim innocent people and claim self defence,we must get to the bottom of this thinking before we can fight this terrorism. LOL!!! Its obvious that the reverse of an argument to create a parody doesn't work. Nice try but the humour is in the attempt. "you have people saying the nail of a jew is worth more than a 1000 or more jews " Hilarious!!! Are these 1000 Jews without fingernails????? Oh , do tell us which part of any Jewish consciousness you believe this lie is held as an axiomatic mandatory law. I believe you are trying to quote from the Antisemitic Forgery "The Protocols of The Elders of Zion". Obvioulsy couldn't afford to buy your own copy.
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2007-11-24 15:08:47
shan:
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Not quoting from any forgeries but if i remember right it was a jewish rabbi in israel who said a jews nail was worth more than a 1000 non jews.
having watched programmes about jewish settlers describing their hate for palestinians and their desire to ethnically cleanse palestine of its inhabitants,you do not need to be a rocket scientist to work out what judaic terrorism is. well i certinaly did not fidn your article hilarious when the issue at hand was something else and as usual you could not contain your hatred for islam amd muslims that you attempted to distract readers this blog again. any way so how do you reckon we need to understand judaic or zionist terrorism so that we can deal with it. i do hope for once you answer the point raised instead, so that we can deal with this menace for the betterment of humanity.
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2007-11-24 15:40:30
Tom:
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For people like me, shouting God is great while sawing off someoned head, or holding a butchers knife / AK47 / bombers vest in one hand and a Quran in the other will sadly, always link the violence with the religion. Sad but true.
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2007-11-24 18:12:13
I Sidat:
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Shan i think you got your words mixed up the word should be 'Israeli' nor 'Jews' (hope this helps samson since you disapproved of my typing)
Just stop buying these racist papers if you look back in time they demonised Jews then the black community (actually the black community are always vicitms in this), now its muslims these guys will write anything as long as they have something, there is no consideration whatsoever and no real facts.
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2007-11-24 18:23:07
Delila:
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Not quoting from any forgeries but if i remember right it was a jewish rabbi in israel who said a jews nail was worth more than a 1000 non jews. — shanhaving watched programmes about jewish settlers describing their hate for palestinians and their desire to ethnically cleanse palestine of its inhabitants,you do not need to be a rocket scientist to work out what judaic terrorism is. well i certinaly did not fidn your article hilarious when the issue at hand was something else and as usual you could not contain your hatred for islam amd muslims that you attempted to distract readers this blog again. any way so how do you reckon we need to understand judaic or zionist terrorism so that we can deal with it. i do hope for once you answer the point raised instead, so that we can deal with this menace for the betterment of humanity. There is no such thing as 'Judaic Terrorism' - so how could you investigate it? Are there any "Jewish Terrorists" threatening to blow people up in the USA, Europe, Africa or indeed anywhere? You can't investigate what doesn't exist.
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2007-11-25 00:00:33
Delila:
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Why should we try and place the blame on Al Qaeda if Islamic Terrorist killed 52 people and maimed 700 on 7/7.
These Islamic Terrorists didn't act on behalf of Al Qaeda. If you insist they did then since Al Qaeda's aims are the re-establishment of the Caliphate then you can't argue that the reason if Foreign Policy. What you argue is that it doesn't matter what we do. WHich is what I believe anyway.
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2007-11-25 10:13:33
I Sidat:
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There are Jewish terrorists in the name of 'israel' many people believe that Israel is a terrorist state since its foundation (UN's ridiculous decleration with no though about palestine) and since it has the most sophisticated wmd's, please explain this then try to explain the actions of terrorists muslims.
What the british media is doing is concealing the truth the reason why al qaeda was built and why we have hizb - ut tahrir(what ever it is) is down to this UN resolution muslims are angry that there are over a million palestininans in refugee camps this includes christians and jews, these muslims, chrisitians and poor jews were thrown out of thier homes by people who came in five minutes ago, the same people who have broken every international treaty and building illegal settlements in palestinian areas, do you not call this terrorism? When Amercia and Britain illegally atatcked Iraq despite Hans Blix advise do you call these people peace keepers? A BNP individual had home made bombs and equpment in his home and was acqiuitted despite his intention, is he a terrorist? If you want to do Juatice look at the WIDER picture not staying in the domain of the media and lies who are eveidently biased in everything they say
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2007-11-26 20:04:38
david:
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Deobandist Enthusiasts.
The comparison is often made with the IRA. "Why aren't they called Catholic Terrorists" etc. The IRA were motivated by nationalism. Their aim was purely political and involved territory, not religion. Al Qaeda & Hamas (although not Fatah) are not fighting for political/territorial ends. They are motivated by their perception of Islam. If Mormons started bombing Lutheran Churches because they believed it was God's will, they would be called Mormon terrorists. It would be the responsibility of mainstream Mormons to excumunicate them and execrate their beliefs.
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2007-11-27 00:28:38
shan:
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nice try david but unfortunatly for you we can tell the diffrence between reality and pr.
the palestinians are not fighting for religion,they are fighting for freedom from occupation. the iraqis are not fighting for religion they ae fighting for freedom from occupation. all organisations be they genuine or not have sprung up due to occupation and oppression. so as said befir edo nto patrionis us.
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2007-11-27 11:09:50
I Sidat:
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The comparison is often made with the IRA. "Why aren't they called Catholic Terrorists" etc. The IRA were motivated by nationalism. Their aim was purely political and involved territory, not religion. Al Qaeda & Hamas (although not Fatah) are not fighting for political/territorial ends. They are motivated by their perception of Islam. What a silly person, you just contradicted yourself, Hamas is fighting for thier rights, freedom they want thier land where they used to live, the place they were kicked out of 60 years go by israeli thugs and UN 'peace keepers' The IRA wanted partitian because of the 'protestant' methodology. DO YOUR RESEARCH PROPERLY. My point on Al Qaeda is directed towards the west's foreign pokicy which put over million people homeless, yes they use Islam (which is obviously wrong ideology) but thier foundation is down to what they did to these people i am not backing Al Qaeda all am saying is that's what thier deritives come from. Just for the record am not a Deobandi
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2007-11-27 11:32:36
Delila:
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There are Jewish terrorists in the name of 'israel' many people believe that Israel is a terrorist state since its foundation (UN's ridiculous decleration with no though about palestine) and since it has the most sophisticated wmd's, please explain this then try to explain the actions of terrorists muslims. — I SidatWhat the british media is doing is concealing the truth the reason why al qaeda was built and why we have hizb - ut tahrir(what ever it is) is down to this UN resolution muslims are angry that there are over a million palestininans in refugee camps this includes christians and jews, these muslims, chrisitians and poor jews were thrown out of thier homes by people who came in five minutes ago, the same people who have broken every international treaty and building illegal settlements in palestinian areas, do you not call this terrorism? When Amercia and Britain illegally atatcked Iraq despite Hans Blix advise do you call these people peace keepers? A BNP individual had home made bombs and equpment in his home and was acqiuitted despite his intention, is he a terrorist? If you want to do Juatice look at the WIDER picture not staying in the domain of the media and lies who are eveidently biased in everything they say Name a single Jewish Terrorist group and any Terrorist action they have carried-out in the past 60 years. Baruch Goldstein doesn't count as he acted alone - not as a member of a Terrorist Group. Over that same period there would probably be 5,000+ separate Islamic Terrorist acts. Which religious compass has a bad needle?
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2007-11-28 19:16:19
Delila:
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"Hamas is fighting for thier rights, freedom they want thier land where they used to live, the place they were kicked out of 60 years go by israeli thugs and UN 'peace keepers" rewriting history.
Hamas never existed 60 years ago. Hamas is a Terrorist group dedicated to the destruction of Israel and killing of Jews as stated in its Charter. It believes ALL the region is Islamic Lands - despite Allah granting it to the Jews. They are NOT fighting for freedom but fighting for Genocide.
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2007-11-28 19:18:33
shan:
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hamas never existed 60 years ago say delila,but israel did not exist 61 years ago either,so israelis have no right to claim palestine as their homeland.
the government of palestine is fighting for freedom for palestine not the destruction of jews. tell me where Allah say the land of palestine will be given to jews.
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2007-11-29 10:35:18
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