Choose Your Region

UK-Region IRELAND-region
MPACUK LEEDS

Adverts/Promotions

Powered by: MuslimPages
 
Kent Muslim Welfare Association Halal Hamper CHL Properties When Slaves Become the Masters Journalism Diversity Fund Stop War On Iran

Disclaimer: MPACUK does not select these automated ads.


Subscribe to our newsletter:


Saudi Disgrace While UK Groups Act Dumb Print E-mail
Sunday, 25 November 2007

judge's hammerIt must have been one of the most unbelievable jaw-dropping evil judgements passed since the dawn of history by any judge. Tony Blair and George Bush would have been proud of themselves for thinking up a law that was so unjust to Muslims as diabolical as this one was.

(I can hear non-Muslims say, 'How can you compare them?' - my reply is, 'They are directly comparable - no they're worse!'  Anyway, back to the judge...)

A Saudi judge so dumb, so backward, that even backward dumb people distanced themselves from his judgement.

I am of course talking about the judge who sentenced a woman who was raped to being whipped for sitting in a car with a guy.

I felt like saying 'You idiot, you're supposed to be sentencing the rapist, don't you know the difference between the victim and victimiser, where did they teach you how to be a judge? Disney Land!'

I have not met a single dumb Muslim (and I know lots of them) who agree with the judge, thank Allah. They all pretty much agree the judge is nuts.

Muslim groups and Mosque leaders are a different matter. They play a different game when they agree with something or don't want to act against it. And the way they do it is, they play dumb, they just sit there without saying a word. You know like when you were a kid, and someone said 'Which idiot set the house on fire?' and you know it was your friend but you don't want to say it, so you put a dumb face on and just go quiet.

A woman was raped and then a Muslim judge uses 'Islam' to punish her, and hardly a peep from these stinking so-called Muslim leaders who always say, 'We love Islam!' Hello? That's our sister, you morons!

Regent Park mosque, run by Saudi idiots, was silent. I guess it was not an issue for them. Funny how they trotted out like chimps when it came to condemning so-called Muslim extremism, nodding like little monkeys at every harsh law the Government put on us. But when it comes to us being terrorised – zip, silence, nothing.

What of the hundreds of Mosques built by the Saudis in the UK, Blackburn being a prime example? Again, nothing! The biggest Mosque in Europe is being built by a group who agrees with the Saudi pay masters on most things – did we hear a whisper from them? They have the contacts to get millions of pounds in funding for their palaces when they want them, but not the contacts to urge intervention to help this poor girl.

Two thousand of the most powerful Muslim groups in Britain – all silent on the issue. As always every time some Muslim is in trouble, these backward retards are nowhere to be seen.

Ok, we can claim they are old and are too dead from the neck up to change. If that was correct, then how does that explain the student ISOCS, again none of which have said anything about this evil judgement? No mass marches or campaigns, no mass political lobbying days, or talks organised demanding their MP speak up against this judge, no demands he step down and then demands for a law change so we can have his head chopped off – because his brain would be more use in a jar then on his shoulders. These so called Emirs didn't do anything. Too busy teaching us about minor points of fiqh so we can argue with each other over trivia or instead feel really holy about our pacified state.

In all seriousness, could our Muslim groups have done something for this poor girl?

That's the problem – right there. The Muslim groups in Britain don't give a damn about Muslims. They care about their particular sect, or cult or message. But when we are in trouble, they are never there for us.

Another sister who will be brutalised and all we have to help her is non-Muslim groups and individuals.

We all call her sister – but let's face it. She is nothing of the sort, we don't give a damn about our so-called sisters, whether they be gunned down in Palestine for fun, jailed in Britain for writing a poem about a love of Jihad or whipped to death for nothing more than riding in a car.

If we did, the least we would have done for them is go straight up to the Mosque Leader and student so-called emirs and demand they organise and mobilise something in her defence.

We would be up in arms if a non-Muslim did this evil, but if it's a Muslim – hey what can we do, ignore it, hope it will go away. It's always ok if Muslims do an evil, then our leaders (the leaders doing the evil to us) tell us its 'fitna' to speak up against them, or worse we have no 'adaab'.

The so-called Islamic way they have been taught is 'ask nicely, and if they won't change – oh well leave it to Allah' …in short let the girl get whipped after all 'they told me not to speak up against it too vocally – don't want to be accused of not having adaab, do I! That's un-Islamic!' Yes, but its not un-Islamic to let our sisters be oppressed while we sit there acting holy. That's just fine, that's God will!

Our sister gets more protection from the Christians then she ever did from us. Thank Allah he created them. Muslim men hold your heads in shame. We are not worthy of calling them sisters.

And our leaders are not even worthy of calling themselves Muslims




Digg!Reddit!Del.icio.us!Live!Facebook!Technorati!Spurl!Furl!Blogmarks!Yahoo!

Readers have left 24 comments.
Delila: Quote

As a protest why not take all the Saudi funded hate literature and leaflets found in mosques and burn them.

What a powerful statement that would make. An explicit rejection of the idealogy that has lead the Saudi's to these barbaric decisions.

And if the Saudi's refuse to support mosques who do this then I am sure the Govt. would step into the breach to make sure the mosques survive.
(1) 2007-11-25 10:07:04
Mashfiq: Quote

Can the judge be regarded as "Kafir", along with members of the Saudi Arabian Government?

At least the Israelis are not lashing their rape victims, nor is any Western country. In the western world, we are much more civilised than the Saudis. If anyone becomes a victim of rape, they should not feel that they are to blame because of the way they were dressed or the way they were going about their day to day affairs. The main concern should be to investigate and bring the perpetrators to justice. They do that in Israel, the Western world and certainly in any civilised country, even Bangladesh.

In Islam, as practiced in the civilised and democratic world, including in the largest democracy in the world, India, we learn that
the killing of an innocent soul may be equal to the killing of the entire human race.

Allah Almighty says: "For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than man slaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth." (Al-Ma’idah: 32)


Only if the Saudis were true Muslims, which are very much doubt, then they would of protected this woman.

Furthermore, where are the public statements from Regents Park, MAB, MCB, British Muslim Forum and other Muslim organisations. Why are the 'Model Mosques' silent too hahahahah Even the synagogues and churches are speaking out against Saudi Arabia.......I am beginning to think Policy Exchange were right to talk about Saudi Arabia, as no Muslim organisation has criticised its Government.






(2) 2007-11-25 10:07:40
Delila: Quote

I find it stratnge that the Saudi's are supposed to be the protectors of the source of Islam and yet alcohol, drugs, prostitutes and coruption are no strangers to them.

They give Islam a bad name!
(3) 2007-11-25 10:28:15
abumuhammad: Quote

Just wanting to know. As this matter involves questions the motives behind a judgement made by a judge has anyone bothered to ascertain the complete facts of this matter? I do not have a view as to whether I agree because I have not all the facts at my disposal nor the requisite legal competence to pass judgement but noting the level of vitriol evident in the article I am presuming that the writer has satisfied himself of both counts of having all requisite knowledge and legal competence to question judgement. For the record I am not a Saudi, or a wahhabi and indeed have issues on issues of how they may pass judgements but measured, thoughtful responses should add to the truth not ignore it.
(4) 2007-11-25 11:21:54
Yunus Yakoub Islam: Quote

"the hundreds of Mosques built by the Saudis in the UK" Really? Hundreds? There are only just over a 1000 in total. That's news to me. Can we have some evidence of this please? This piece reads like something out of the Daily Mail!
(5) 2007-11-25 12:23:00
John C: Quote

To abumuhammad


Whatever the facts of the case are I don't think anyone should be getting lashed.

John
(6) 2007-11-25 12:24:07
Zak: Quote

First of all I'm no fan of the silly illegitimate saudi regime.

You cannot intefere in the judiciary decisions of a state, especially if you do not know the full details of the case.

(7) 2007-11-25 12:42:22
Barbarossa: Quote

Delia and Mashfiq are both Israeli plants - please ignore their racist planted views.

As for the judgement, its a disagrace.

Israel is far worse, murdering children for sport, but that does not make this judgement any better.

Muslim Leaders should have acted, they did not - for that they are guilty.
(8) 2007-11-25 12:47:53
Delila: Quote

Just wanting to know. As this matter involves questions the motives behind a judgement made by a judge has anyone bothered to ascertain the complete facts of this matter? I do not have a view as to whether I agree because I have not all the facts at my disposal nor the requisite legal competence to pass judgement but noting the level of vitriol evident in the article I am presuming that the writer has satisfied himself of both counts of having all requisite knowledge and legal competence to question judgement. For the record I am not a Saudi, or a wahhabi and indeed have issues on issues of how they may pass judgements but measured, thoughtful responses should add to the truth not ignore it.
— abumuhammad


OK then. Let's assume that the judge is right. Are you going to accept the punishment of 200 lashes on a woman is barbaric, backward, evil and a stain on Islamic jurisprudence?

Right or Wrong! Its Wrong!
(9) 2007-11-25 12:49:10
Barbarossa: Quote

Yunus I understand your post, but surely you are not saying that Muslim Leaders should have done nothing in this case? - And if so, what of all the other Muslim sisters even here in the UK locked up on terrorism charges on the most flimsy of charges - should they be allowed to get away with that too?
(10) 2007-11-25 13:38:41
Delila: Quote

Delia and Mashfiq are both Israeli plants - please ignore their racist planted views.

As for the judgement, its a disagrace.

Israel is far worse, murdering children for sport, but that does not make this judgement any better.

Muslim Leaders should have acted, they did not - for that they are guilty.
— Barbarossa


Does the sport have a title?

What is the International Authority for this 'sport' so I know who to protest to?

Is it true that the World Rankings are something like this:-

1st Iraqi Insurgents

2nd Chechen's for Belsan

3rd Palestinians

BTW, if I am an Israeli plant may I be Coriander?
(11) 2007-11-25 15:40:22
John C: Quote

To Barbarossa

Do you want to give examples of thee Muslim women locked up on the flimsiest of charges.

By the way , is Barbarossa your real name. If it is not some might consider it a rather provocative handle.


John


(12) 2007-11-25 15:51:42
Onnie: Quote

I think Saudi Arabia should pass a law that bans any female living organism from taking birth or exiting any womb. Anyway they can't stand them, keeping them covered from head to toe...and hoping they are never seen or heard.This way, all Saudis will be protected from any and every sin and crime. No women, no sin. No women, no crime!
(13) 2007-11-25 17:52:13
shan: Quote

from the information being given by the authorities in saudi arabia,the women in question is a married women who was having a affair with the gentleman she was with.
the men who raped her have had their sentences doubled and she has been punished for being married and having a affair.
if the laws of saudi are such that adultery is punished than the punishment is correct according to their laws.
Whether we agree with their laws or not is another matter.
(14) 2007-11-26 12:47:37
shem: Quote

Delila (Samson's Lover)

You're wasting your time here. Reason won't work.
(15) 2007-11-26 14:14:21
Delila: Quote

from the information being given by the authorities in saudi arabia,the women in question is a married women who was having a affair with the gentleman she was with.
the men who raped her have had their sentences doubled and she has been punished for being married and having a affair.
if the laws of saudi are such that adultery is punished than the punishment is correct according to their laws.
Whether we agree with their laws or not is another matter.
— shan


Only a barbaric jurisprudence would give 200 lashes to a woman for taking a better lover when its men-folk can go abroad and indulge with prostitutes.

Its against the most basic of Human Rights. Of course, Saudi Arabia doesn't embrace the concept of who is a Human so how can they apply any rights?
(16) 2007-11-26 15:12:00
shan: Quote

It is not a basic human right to dishonour and be unfaithful to the person you have chosen to marry.
it is not a basic human right to abuse the trust of a husband or wife.
as to going abroad and indulging in prostitutes i am sure the majority of saudese do not have the luxury or the inclination,but the house of saud and its 10,000 heirs that might be true for a percentage of them.
we agree saudis do not portray real islam,as it is one law for the rulers and another for the ruled.
(17) 2007-11-26 16:02:36
Delila: Quote

It is not a basic human right to dishonour and be unfaithful to the person you have chosen to marry.
it is not a basic human right to abuse the trust of a husband or wife.
as to going abroad and indulging in prostitutes i am sure the majority of saudese do not have the luxury or the inclination,but the house of saud and its 10,000 heirs that might be true for a percentage of them.
we agree saudis do not portray real islam,as it is one law for the rulers and another for the ruled.
— shan


What about if someone is chosen for you to marry against your free will?

Presumably, if the man had treated his woman well then she wouldn't want to stray.

Do we know if he beat her?
(18) 2007-11-26 17:33:30
Delila: Quote

Shan, you said:-

"It is not a basic human right to dishonour and be unfaithful to the person you have chosen to marry.
it is not a basic human right to abuse the trust of a husband or wife."

I think you have quite got a grasp on Human Rights yet. No woman "strays" if her man is good.

If a woman decides her marriage is bad then her Human Right is always to divorce.

She also has the Human Right not to be beaten.
(19) 2007-11-26 17:48:43
shan: Quote

so delilah as samson appears to have gone to recharge his batteries,can you tell us are you implyign that all the women and men who cheat on their wives and husbands in the U.K do so because thay are not being treated right,they are forced to marry or are beaten to stay with their partners.
according to some polls around 65 to 75 per cent fo married men and women have affairs or cheat on their partners in the U.K.
So do inform us what you think is the underlying cause of this,not being treated right,being forced to get marrried or being beaten.
(20) 2007-11-26 18:11:23
RSD: Quote

I would like to point out that:
1 There is no suggestion that this woman committed adultery - she was charged with "intermingling", which appears to be simply in the company of a man to whom she is not married.
2 The rapists attacked her and her companion and raped both of them.

It is for Muslims worldwide to condemn this if this is contrary to the teachings of Islam. If they do not condemn it then the rest of the world can justifiably interpret the silence as being that of approval, and judge Islam on the basis of that silence.
(21) 2007-11-26 18:58:09
I Sidat: Quote

The Saudi judiciary needs to look at this at more conventional approach, i have always stated that in every country the judiciary is independent and so it should be, it doesn't matter what the governemnt says or anyone else.

By the way Delila we would not have Iraqi insurgents if the terrorists from our states didn't attack their country have some sense will ya.

The Chechan's have been fighting for independence something the russians won't do and why because thier is economic viability their if it was Ukraine or Georgia they would have gave it up by now.

And Palestine is palestinian land which was stolen by the UN and gifted to Israeli's without any consideration.

get your facts right before you make stupid assumptions
(22) 2007-11-26 20:19:01
david: Quote

Well done MPACUK for tackling a foreign affairs issue that a) isn't about Israel or America and b) actually challenges a darker aspect of Islam.

Islamophobia (more correctly Muslimophobia) is not just a by-product of Jihadist terrorism. It is also a reaction to barbaric extremism of regimes that are stuck in 7th Century Arabia.

The bible & torah include punishments that are correctly seen today as barbaric. Mercifully, no regime enacts them. Most Muslims reject the barbaric punishments bestowed by shariah courts for minor sexual transgressions, yet unless organisations like MPACUK speak out, then how will people know that Muslims feel as sick about them as anyone else?

Next - organise a protest against the Sudanese government - who want to jail & lash a women for naming a teddy bear "Mohammed"
(23) 2007-11-27 00:22:54
I Sidat: Quote

That yteddy bear incident is the tip of the ice berg, its funny in a sense that hysteria has extended to smething as small as this.

Some Muslims really need to grow up, she was not intending to defame the prophet
(24) 2007-11-27 11:38:54
The author or administrator has closed this item for comments.
 
Ireland Branch
Media Workshops

Search MPACUK.org

Recommended Books