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Here is a government unpopular and in trouble over terrorism. Its civil rights lawyers are up in arms. Its leader postpones a general election and summarily arrests anyone he sees as a danger to his state. He butters up the military by promising them more nuclear weapons. He announces changes to the constitution without consultation, imposes central rule over dissident local districts and extends imprisonment without trial. To soften up the public, he even gets his head of security to make a blood-curdling speech depicting every child as a potential suicide bomber. The one thing Brown is spared is calls from foreign governments protesting about his policies. The reason is that making such calls is what British and US leaders do to those they regard as political primitives more or less once a month somewhere in the world; they would not like it if the compliment were returned. Back in Downing Street, Monday's pre-legislation speech by the head of MI5, Jonathan Evans, was pure Musharraf. It was a classic "frightener", reminiscent of Alastair Campbell rolling the pitch for a headline-grabbing initiative. "As I speak," intoned Evans with full dramatic effect, "terrorists are methodically and intentionally targeting young people and children in this country, radicalising, indoctrinating and grooming young, vulnerable people to carry out acts of terrorism." Note the sexual connotation of "grooming". Evans boasted the efficiency of British counter-terrorism yet admitted that the number of suspects, 1,500 under his predecessor Eliza Manningham-Buller, had not diminished but risen. "The number involved in terrorist-related activity in the UK has increased to at least 2,000," he said. "We suspect there are as many yet again that we don't yet know of" - our old friend, the unknown unknowns. Evans warned the public to be careful with words, as "we are tackling a threat which finds its roots in ideology, so words really matter". He spoke of looking "with gritted teeth at some of the more colourful headlines" by which terrorism is depicted. He might have included the tabloid outcome of his own speech. He was playing Halloween and crying, "Pay up, or you are all going to die!" It is public sector trick or treat. I strongly suspect Britain's secret service is doing a good job and has more than enough money already. There have been only two bombing incidents, in London and Glasgow, since 9/11. But, while being freed of bombs, we have not been freed of fear. Scaremongering by ministers, the police and security officials has bordered on the hysterical. The essence of a secret service used to be secrecy, including of its methods and achievements. Otherwise it is just a branch of the police. In the early days of "avowal" in the 1980s, the heads of MI5 and MI6 would invite journalists to tell them how to go about handling publicity. One, Stella Rimington, was obsessed with how she might do on Any Questions? Others fancied themselves as M lookalikes. The only advice that made them miserable was that they should stay secret. "How," one retorted, "are we ever to lobby for our budgets when the cold war is over?" The answer of both MI5's Evans and MI6's John Scarlett is to join the fear factory. In 2002-03, before the Iraq war, the security service supplied the Cabinet Office with a weekly catalogue of "terror fears" - anthrax, smallpox, sarin, dirty nuclear devices and a Christmas bombing campaign - to soften public opinion for the war. It was MI5's answer to MI6's "weapons of mass destruction", and was the same drivel. There can be only two results from this abuse of publicity. One is that the public demotes such scares to wolf-crying and treats them as background noise. The other is that, as all scare stories stereotype communities, the host nation distances itself from whatever group allegedly harbours the threat. The latter in turn retreats and denies the police the intelligence required for public safety. In other words, speeches such as those from the head of MI5 are wholly self-defeating. Stupefying sums of money are being devoted to warding off a threat to life and limb which, I suspect, is far less than was posed by the IRA in the 1970s and 1980s. The IRA succeeded in evading the police, killing large numbers of people and destroying property with grim regularity. It did so with the intention of changing policy and securing the release of murderers and criminals. What it did not do was curb British liberties. Al-Qaida has killed fewer Britons but induced politicians to curb more liberties. It remains so murky that the security services grab at the epithet "an al-Qaida-linked organisation" to imply they are up against some vast global mafia, to excuse any intelligence failure and justify any increased budget. Scaring the public as an act of policy may win a few headlines but it is stupid. It worked short term in 2003 and may prop up yet another terrorism law in yesterday's Queen's speech, a law presumably requested by MI5. But it can only damage British liberty in the long term. The Blair government ruined Britain's reputation for fair treatment among the moderate Muslims on whom stopping a tiny number of fanatics now depends. Abroad it declared wars, bombed Muslim capitals, killed civilians, and initiated a crusade for "western values" among people sceptical of their virtues. At home it extended terrorism laws to make every dark-skinned Briton feel he or she is being made a scapegoat. While Britain remains adequately safe from attack, it has been at a wretched cost. One question remains. No sensible person has a problem with rounding up suspects for questioning for a limited period. But if Evans and his like claim to "know" 2,000 Britons who are "actively engaged in terrorist-related activities" and pose a "direct threat to national security and public safety", why are these 2,000 still at large? It cannot be for lack of powers, after half a dozen laws enacted to this specific end. Could it be that headlines about 2,000 terrorists "on the loose as we speak" are more helpful to the government and its agencies than if they were under lock and key in Belmarsh? We should regret the day the secret service stopped being secret and became just another government front organisation. Source: Comment Is Free Readers have left 21 comments.
Zesto:
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This sentence establishes the credibility and quality of this CiF item:-
"There have been only two bombing incidents, in London and Glasgow, since 9/11." Except for 7/7 & 21/7. And ignoring 200 guilty verdicts since 9/11 on terrorism related crimes (BBC 5Live). Ignoring charges and cases in the pipeline related to terrorism. Why are 2,000 at large? Because they are being monitored so the evidence becomes even stronger and so their networks can be tracked.
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2007-11-08 07:40:43
Anti-zionist:
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Why is it that all Secret Service Heads only tell the truth after they retire?
It is clear that the security service heads have a mandate of absolute allegiance to the monarchy and the rpime minister so i don't really give a **** what this guy has to say.
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2007-11-08 10:15:34
shan:
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If the majority of muslim world was not led by western armed and supported dictators then they might have spoken out.
since 911 there have been hundreds of thousand of terror attacks carried out by so called christian soldeirs in iraq and afghan. in europe since 911 of the hundreds of terror attacks carried out only 4 or 5 have been attributed to muslims. since 911 in britian 2 o 3 terror attacks have been carried out,which have been atributed to muslims,in the same time around a dozen known terror attacks have been carried out by people classed as christians. the diffrence is when a person who happens to be a muslim is involved its a day in day out headline news,when so called christians are involved its only worth a slight mention and its never called terror attack. it is the policy of the goverment to use muslims to create fear and paranoia to pass laws that will end up effecting everyone. 30 years of I.R.A violence with which we lived was dealt by existing laws and the same can be done now. framing young boys is no hard task,if i was given the same power for entrapment,i could come up with terror related charges day in day out against young people all over the U.K.
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2007-11-08 10:33:44
Zesto:
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If the majority of muslim world was not led by western armed and supported dictators then they might have spoken out. — shansince 911 there have been hundreds of thousand of terror attacks carried out by so called christian soldeirs in iraq and afghan. in europe since 911 of the hundreds of terror attacks carried out only 4 or 5 have been attributed to muslims. since 911 in britian 2 o 3 terror attacks have been carried out,which have been atributed to muslims,in the same time around a dozen known terror attacks have been carried out by people classed as christians. the diffrence is when a person who happens to be a muslim is involved its a day in day out headline news,when so called christians are involved its only worth a slight mention and its never called terror attack. it is the policy of the goverment to use muslims to create fear and paranoia to pass laws that will end up effecting everyone. 30 years of I.R.A violence with which we lived was dealt by existing laws and the same can be done now. framing young boys is no hard task,if i was given the same power for entrapment,i could come up with terror related charges day in day out against young people all over the U.K. The actions of an army from a democratic country aren't the actions of terrorism. Hence there have NOT been "hundreds of thousands of terror attacks" by Christian soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. That point is absurd. Second, 200 people in the UK have been convicted of terrorism related offences since 9/11 (as stated on BBC 5Live). The vast majority of these people aren't Christians. It is irrelevant to count the number of succesful terrorist attacks in the UK because the locking-up of 200 people associated with terrorism means that most did not manage to complete an attack. Its the same in Europe with many arrests preventing atrocities. We should let the police and courts decide what is a "Terror Attack" and what is not.
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2007-11-08 12:38:47
Zesto:
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Here is UK Justice at work:-
"A 23-year-old who called herself the "Lyrical Terrorist" has become the first woman in the UK to be convicted under the Terrorism Act. Samina Malik from Southall, west London, has been found guilty at the Old Bailey of owning terrorist manuals. The jury heard Malik had written extremist poems praising Osama Bin Laden, supporting martyrdom and discussing beheading. Malik worked at WH Smith at Heathrow Airport until her arrest last October. She had earlier been found not guilty of the more serious charge, under Section 57 of the Act, of possessing an article for a terrorist purpose. She denied the charges." BBC News. So, the justice system is fair and not designed to simply 'fit up' people associated with terrorism, as she was.
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2007-11-08 12:46:38
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Would an Irish person writing a poem about the IRA be imprisoned?
Why is there different attitudes towards Mulims, and people of other religions? on what basis??? Why was a member of the BNP given two years in prison when caught with a batch of explosives in his home? a Muslim would have been sentenced to 4000 years without parole. The Governments reaction is the wrong one. You cannot simply detain and imprison any one who you think agrees or likes terrorism with a Muslim connection. And if you do, than let the same laws be for people of all faiths.
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2007-11-08 13:55:44
shan:
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Thats a nice one democratic nations cannot be called terrorists,i have heard zionist chameleons say quite a lot of demented things but this beats everything.
as i said before if i was given the same powers of entrapment that the government has i could bring forward charges related to terrorism everyday. what has happened to this lady proves beyond doubt that you are free to insult islam and muslims but when mulsimns use that freedom of speech,then they are framed for using that freedom of speech. The boot does not stay on one foot forever.
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2007-11-08 14:25:24
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I agree absolutely,
Ever since September 11 2001, new laws have been made to only target Muslims. In the words of an ex CIA agent speaking in anomity on a BBC documentary in 2003, "this is not a war on terror, it is a war on Islam, other wise how do you defeat 2 billion people with an ideology which challenges your own"?
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2007-11-08 15:17:13
Zesto:
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Would an Irish person writing a poem about the IRA be imprisoned? — Anti-ZionistWhy is there different attitudes towards Mulims, and people of other religions? on what basis??? Why was a member of the BNP given two years in prison when caught with a batch of explosives in his home? a Muslim would have been sentenced to 4000 years without parole. The Governments reaction is the wrong one. You cannot simply detain and imprison any one who you think agrees or likes terrorism with a Muslim connection. And if you do, than let the same laws be for people of all faiths. We don't know what was in her poems so I cannot judge and you cannot judge. That is why she had a trial and a jury judged. The ex-BNP member had substances from which explosives could be made but he never made an explosive device and he had no plans to target anyone. He said he was making plans in case of civil unrest. Again, ask the jury how they reached their verdict.
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2007-11-08 18:17:29
Zesto:
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I agree absolutely, — Anti-zionistEver since September 11 2001, new laws have been made to only target Muslims. In the words of an ex CIA agent speaking in anomity on a BBC documentary in 2003, "this is not a war on terror, it is a war on Islam, other wise how do you defeat 2 billion people with an ideology which challenges your own"? No! New laws have been made to target Terrorists. If Muslims are responsible for most terrorist plots in the UK then who else should we be looking-out for? Basque Separatists? Tamil Tigers? Lords Day Army? 200 guilty verdicts since 9/11 indicate where our current problems come from.
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2007-11-08 18:20:19
Zesto:
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Thats a nice one democratic nations cannot be called terrorists,i have heard zionist chameleons say quite a lot of demented things but this beats everything. — shanas i said before if i was given the same powers of entrapment that the government has i could bring forward charges related to terrorism everyday. what has happened to this lady proves beyond doubt that you are free to insult islam and muslims but when mulsimns use that freedom of speech,then they are framed for using that freedom of speech. The boot does not stay on one foot forever. What has a spurious claim to be able to be "free to insult islam and muslims"? No-one is free to deliberately insult other people. However, we are ALL free to comment on religions and idealogies. Nick Griffin proved that point when he called Islam a "Wicked and Viscious Religion" and was found not guilty of incitement. It may be taken as an insult but a democracy tolerates insults. Any robust religion thrives on insults to help indicate its strength. Remember Inayat arguing how hate literature found at some prominent mosques was not hate. Can't have it both ways. If you wish to state your negative opinions about Christianity or Judaism I am sure the forgiving nature of those religions will allow you to make such comments.
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2007-11-08 18:26:33
shan:
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the man in question wanted to kill tony blair,this was stated at his trial by his wife.
he had the means to do so and had a target. the jury system is a reflection of society,so racists and bigots on jury service are no diffrent to when they are on the street. it is proven by government studies carried out that black and muslim people get longer times and more conviction for the same crimes as their white counter parts. a muslim downloads material from the internet and he is charged under terror laws,a non muslim is discovered with the largest haul of chemical exlposive bomb arsenal and he charged under explosives laws. so do not patrionise us with condascending comments.
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2007-11-09 11:22:04
Zesto:
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the man in question wanted to kill tony blair,this was stated at his trial by his wife. — shanhe had the means to do so and had a target. the jury system is a reflection of society,so racists and bigots on jury service are no diffrent to when they are on the street. it is proven by government studies carried out that black and muslim people get longer times and more conviction for the same crimes as their white counter parts. a muslim downloads material from the internet and he is charged under terror laws,a non muslim is discovered with the largest haul of chemical exlposive bomb arsenal and he charged under explosives laws. so do not patrionise us with condascending comments. Its so intersting how the real facts get distorted and a new mythology arises to replace them. Times Online Feb 20th 2007 "Armed BNP candidate denies plan to kill Tony Blair" "“Alistair Webster QC, for the defence, asked about a diary entry which read: “The easiest way to defend the country is to assassinate Tony Blair and if Prescott takes over shoot that f***** as well”. Mr Cottage said: “I can only say it was written down in a fit of pique.” Mr Webster asked Mr Cottage whether he had ever harboured plans to sneak up on the Prime Minister with an air pistol and assassinate him. “No,” he replied." There is a difference between saying something like "The World would be a better place if X was shot" and actually having a plan to carry it out. "Robert Cottage, 49, agreed that he had stockpiled dangerous chemicals at his home in Colne, Lancashire, but said that he feared that the country was descending into civil war. When police searched the house in September last year they found large quantities of ammonia, hydrogen peroxide, hydrochloric acid and ball bearings. They also retrieved a 300-page copy of The Anarchist’s Cook Book, detailing how to make explosives, which had been downloaded on to a computer. But Mr Cottage, who has stood unsuccessfully in three local elections as a BNP candidate, told a jury at Manchester Crown Court that he denied the prosecution’s claim that he intended to make a bomb. Instead, he insisted that he had never intended to create anything bigger than a “very large banger with a flash effect” which he would detonate to scare off would-be attackers from his property." So, he never actually made a bomb or any plan to use a bomb. He had these things to protect himself if there was ever a civil war or unrest. He never wrote about martyrdom or how he would like to blow up an airport etc. It just shows the commonsense of a British Jury. If its 'proven that Muslims get longer sentences and more convictios for the same crimes as non-Muslims then please direct us to a report that backs-up your claim. You are dealing with mythology you want to believe instead of facts. Why are you brainwashed? As a percentage of population, Black people and Muslims have higher percentages of the prison population. "Immediate Custodial Sentenced Prison Population by Offence Group and Religion, 30 September 2006" states that out of a prison population of 64,711 (at that date) 6,445 were Muslim. That's 10%. Muslims are about 2.6% of the population (1.6m of 60m). I don't know if this factual statistic agrees with you or not.
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2007-11-09 12:09:32
shan:
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even more proof as given by zesto the chameleon zionist,cottage said he never really meant it when he said he wished to kill the british prime minister.
i am sure that is exactly what all other people accused of saying things,have given as reasons for their intentions and actions. BTW the muslim poplation is around 3 million,there are one milion muslims of paksitani hertiage alone,watch news programmes or log onto human rights sites in the u.k dealing with minority rights and you will see the information as stated by me. Brainwashing is what chameleon zionists go through as they end up with ever changing names.on sites dealing with issues relating to muslims and try to turn them into slanging matches. as i said before do not patrionise us.
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2007-11-09 12:34:19
Zesto:
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even more proof as given by zesto the chameleon zionist,cottage said he never really meant it when he said he wished to kill the british prime minister. — shani am sure that is exactly what all other people accused of saying things,have given as reasons for their intentions and actions. BTW the muslim poplation is around 3 million,there are one milion muslims of paksitani hertiage alone,watch news programmes or log onto human rights sites in the u.k dealing with minority rights and you will see the information as stated by me. Brainwashing is what chameleon zionists go through as they end up with ever changing names.on sites dealing with issues relating to muslims and try to turn them into slanging matches. as i said before do not patrionise us. "The best way to settle Pakistan is if Musharraf were killed" is a statement that someone might make. It does NOT mean that the person making the statement wishes or intends to kill Musharraf. With the greatest of respect you lack the understand and nuance of English grammar and sentence construction. I believe you have a problem understanding plain English. Forgive me for being so harsh on you. I am puzzled. Why do you call me a "Zionist"? I've never thought of myself as one.
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2007-11-09 16:10:04
Zesto:
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Here's your gift.
A potential neo-Nazi nail bomber. Note that the anti-Terrorism laws apply to him too!! "A suspected neo-Nazi from East Yorkshire was planning a nail bomb attack and had four home-made devices, a court heard yesterday. Shaven-headed Martyn Gilleard, 31, of Poole Street, Goole, allegedly intended to wreak carnage and scribbled down his racist intentions in notebooks. During a raid at his home last week police found four bombs and a detonator, the City of Westminster Magistrates' Court in London heard. Gilleard was arrested in Dundee on November 4 after allegedly fleeing the scene and was detained under the Terrorism Act before being charged yesterday. Colin Gibbs, prosecuting, told the court: "We say he has a terrorist agenda, but to a right-wing part of the spectrum."
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2007-11-09 16:45:39
shan:
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I agree and now in future wait see all people charged according to their actions to terrorise people.
whether you kill a single person or more,wheter you are a individual group or state if you kill innocent people you are a terrorist. I welcome this and hope in future laws will be equally applied,then we shall see the fairness and unfairness of laws. one of the people jailed under new terror laws,was heard saying what would happen if a bomb was put in a certain place,the other said hundreds would die,this was taken as evidence that they planned to do this. well the president of iran said the regime that occupies jerusalem will dissapear from the face of the earth,but what was attributed to him was he wants to wipe jews of the map as he wants to wipe israel of the map. so lets not play with words.
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2007-11-09 17:23:35
Zesto:
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I agree and now in future wait see all people charged according to their actions to terrorise people. — shanwhether you kill a single person or more,wheter you are a individual group or state if you kill innocent people you are a terrorist. I welcome this and hope in future laws will be equally applied,then we shall see the fairness and unfairness of laws. one of the people jailed under new terror laws,was heard saying what would happen if a bomb was put in a certain place,the other said hundreds would die,this was taken as evidence that they planned to do this. well the president of iran said the regime that occupies jerusalem will dissapear from the face of the earth,but what was attributed to him was he wants to wipe jews of the map as he wants to wipe israel of the map. so lets not play with words. Its context. If someone asked "Where would I plant a bomb to cuase maximum carnage" and the suspect was to answer that question then I say that person is most likely complicit in the planning of a terrorist act. What are they doing conversing with someone they know and believe is planning a terrorist atrocity. Why didn't they go to the police and say they had reasons to believe they have been in touch with someone planning a terrorist act?
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2007-11-09 22:03:27
shan:
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so next time someone says to you,that person is getting on my nerves i am go to do him one of these days.
will you go and report to the police that he wants to kill that person. we live in a free country with freedom of speech within guidelines,what you are saying is what we were taught in school was the evil about the soviet union,were people had to look over their shoulders everytime they said something controversial.
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2007-11-10 11:45:23
Zesto:
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so next time someone says to you,that person is getting on my nerves i am go to do him one of these days. — shanwill you go and report to the police that he wants to kill that person. we live in a free country with freedom of speech within guidelines,what you are saying is what we were taught in school was the evil about the soviet union,were people had to look over their shoulders everytime they said something controversial. You got the grammatical and logical sense the wrong way around. If someone says "I'll do him..." then you do nothing because its nearly always hot-air. If someone says "Life would be better if x was assassinated" you do nothing because its hot air, unless said at a meeting at which you know there are craxzies who might do it, like an al Muhaj neeting. If someone says "I'm planning to kill xx" you report it to the police. If someone says "We are all trying to work out how to get our bomb into the Houce of Commons...." you go to the police. Print this out, put it on a card and keep it with you at all times.
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2007-11-13 07:57:10
shan:
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So Zesto you agree then the person who was found guilty under terrorism charges is innocent.
since the person said to him what would happen if a bomb went off,the person did not say i intend to put a bomb in that place. so using your standards that person had no reason to contact the police and should not be behind bars today,if the law is applied equally. when finding it hard to win the argument zionists always start nitpicking like your spelling is not right or as now your grammer,when i enter a speling or writing competiton i will be more careful.
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2007-11-14 12:04:03
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