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Wednesday, 31 October 2007
secretpeople.jpgPolicy Exchange, a right-wing think tank, has recently published a report called “The Hijacking of British Islam”.  This is not the first report issued by the neo-con endorsing think tank on the subject of Islam.  However a theme can be detected in all its reports on Islam; namely government disengagement from the Muslim Council of Britain and promotion of the Sufi Muslim Council.  This is curious as the think tank feels it is in a position to judge which organisation should be representing Britain's Muslims instead of the Muslims themselves.

Policy Exchange also seems to hold the view that extremism in Britain is more to do with preaching and published material rather than the key issue of Britain's foreign policy.  One would have thought that compelling evidence such as the videos left behind by some of the bombers - Mohammad Saddique Khan and Shahzad Tanweer -  in which they stated that foreign policy was the issue that motivated their crimes cannot be ignored.  It is a fact that tackling extremism requires a multi-track approach, requiring sound governance of Britain's Muslim institutions, better intelligence, a reappraisal of foreign policy and building trust between government and Britain’s Muslim communities.  How patronising is it to hear politicians sneer at the so-called “victimhood mentality”?  One only has to look around the world to see who the biggest victims of violence are.

Some of the report's conclusions are rather troubling.  The report talks about ambiguity in certain texts which can be open to ideological interpretation.  This is dangerously close to becoming a “thought police” remedy.  It is impractical, and goes against British values of free speech.  Either the highlighted text is legal, or it is not if Policy Exchange doesn't like the text it has found, then it should honour the tradition of free speech that Muslims have had to endure with the likes of the Satanic Verses by Salman Rushdie and the cartoons of our blessed Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

Another conclusion that doesn't seem to make sense, is the report's assertion that compelling imams to speak English will not help combat extremism, but it is a fact that if imams spoke English they would reach out to more young people and English speaking imams would be more culturally sensitive to British norms.

The report is sensationalist, it pays token lip service about the subject of hate and separatist literature not being exclusive to Muslims but then leaves the issue at that.

Having said all that, if Muslim institutions are engaging in any illegal activity or activity that is counter-productive to a harmonious society, then that issue should be highlighted, and they should indeed have to clean up their act.  But Islam should not be treated differently from any other faith or the effect would be counter-productive.

This organisation has long campaigned for better female representation in Britain's mosques.  Females are still denied the facilities they deserve at far too many of our mosques.

The timing of the publication of the report is cynical to coincide with the arrival of King Abdullah II to Britain on a state visit.  There are indeed many troubling aspects of Britain's relationship with Saudi Arabia. Our government seems to tolerate the numerous human rights abuses and lack of democratic norms in the kingdom due to our reliance on Saudi oil, supply of intelligence and Saudi influence on other Arab governments.  The most glaring example was the blocking of the inquiry into the alleged corruption by BAe.  The government cited the clichéd excuse of “national security”, because the Saudis threatened to stop cooperating on intelligence issues, should the inquiry have gone ahead.  One can only conclude that the government is not averse to dictators, as long as they are “our” dictators and are willing to spend money.

Finally, the report seems to ignore the issue of government credibility.  It is a fact that New Labour has squandered any credibility it had with Britain's mainstream Muslims due to Tony Blair's need to maintain Britain’s subservience to American foreign policy.  How does the government convince Britain's Muslims that it has their best interests at heart?



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shan: Quote

The government knows very well their actions have caused a backlash in the british public,that is why tony had to go and their support has gone down.
they seem to have a ego problem that instead of admitting directly we made a huge mistake,they wish to pretend their actions have nothing to do with a raised threat of violence.
for all those numpties even mouthing of loudly they will do this or that,all i can say to you is,you will be stitched up even for saying words that others will never be put in jail for.
british governments do not give a hoot about the working class of britain for if they did,they would never send millions to kill and be killed in wars abroad.
there is currently a vigrous campaign of entrapment being carried out agianst the muslim community and they need use all legal channels to vent their anger and fury.
(1) 2007-10-31 11:58:49
Radha Khan Barelwi: Quote

Unfortunately, the Policy Exchange people have misconstrued my (Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan) words as well. They said I only called the Deobandis Wahhabis, boy what a lie. I went and threw them out of the pale of Islam. Read the section about Barelwi Islam in the blue boxes. I called the Deobandis not only Wahhabis but also Kafir. I did takfir of them.
(2) 2007-10-31 13:16:30
tP,: Quote

Can you tell us what you think mosques should do now that policy exchange has revealed that this type of material is being sold on their premises?
(3) 2007-10-31 14:23:47
Taz: Quote

@tP,: I would have thought that if the material is not breaking the law then there is no case to answer. So nothing.
(4) 2007-10-31 15:34:56
Dr Gabriele Marranci: Quote

I have just posted a on my Blog,marranci.wordpress.com, about the Policy Exchange's report on 'Hate literature' found in the UK mosques. Although, because of my research and study, I am very aware that the phenomenon exist, I am very disappointed at the level of the research and the lack of a serious methodology and research plan, which, at the end, invalidate all Policy Exchange's report.

I think that research on this topic should be conducted by experienced academics in the field as well as funded by apolitical research bodies. I think that this quite amateurish research and report has damaged the possibility of further serious research.

Best wishes

Gabriele
(5) 2007-10-31 16:06:38
azaad: Quote

Perhaps the Poilicy Exchange will ask for the British Library to be closed down because it keeps a copy (perhaps several copies) of Mein Kampf?
(6) 2007-10-31 16:46:36
ShahidM: Quote

"However a theme can be detected in all its reports on Islam; namely government disengagement from the Muslim Council of Britain and promotion of the Sufi Muslim Council. This is curious as the think tank feels it is in a position to judge which organisation should be representing Britain's Muslims instead of the Muslims themselves.
"

I feel that it is not so much an ability to choose but the experience of having chosen MCB and been let-down.

Now they have chosen the Sufi council and it remains to be seen how that will evolve (if at all).

"One would have thought that compelling evidence such as the videos left behind by some of the bombers - Mohammad Saddique Khan and Shahzad Tanweer - in which they stated that foreign policy was the issue that motivated their crimes cannot be ignored. "

Ah! We should not ignore blackmail then? Surely, to give in to these terroristas is to show you will always give-in.

None of us here wants terrorists to win and force us to adopt THEIR policies - or else!
(7) 2007-10-31 17:47:38
ShahidM: Quote

"How does the government convince Britain's Muslims that it has their best interests at heart?"

Surely a Government has the best interests of teh majority of people at heart and not those of minorities, except within the tolerant ethics of Western Judaeo-Christian liberalism.

Sometimes its better to run with the herd than to try and break away from the pack and get isolated.
(8) 2007-10-31 17:51:49
ShahidM: Quote

I have just posted a on my Blog,marranci.wordpress.com, about the Policy Exchange's report on 'Hate literature' found in the UK mosques. Although, because of my research and study, I am very aware that the phenomenon exist, I am very disappointed at the level of the research and the lack of a serious methodology and research plan, which, at the end, invalidate all Policy Exchange's report.

I think that research on this topic should be conducted by experienced academics in the field as well as funded by apolitical research bodies. I think that this quite amateurish research and report has damaged the possibility of further serious research.

Best wishes

Gabriele
— Dr Gabriele Marranci


Dr Gabriele, here is a quote from the Policy Exchange report:-

"Some Examples of the Methods Employed by Zionism to Accomplish its Goals:
1. Instigating confusion, schemes and conspiracies throughout history […] You will not find any confusion in which the Jews did not play a role.
2. Their attempt at trying to immerse nations in vice and the spread of fornication. The Jews controlled this kind of trade and promoted it. They manage the bars in Europe and the United States and in Israel itself.
3. Controlling literature and art by spreading the immoral pornographic literature...
4. Controlling the movie industry and art in the western world and elsewhere.
5. Cheating, bribing, stealing, and conning.
[…] The Jews are a people who were moulded with treachery and backstabbing throughout the centuries, and they do not keep their word nor honour their promise …
(Found in a book for -1st Grade High School Level: at the King Fahad Academy, west London. The book also presents as fact, the thesis of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion")

Perhaps you would like to qualify why this isn't racist hate literature against Jews.

Maybe they left out the word "NOT".

Dr Gabriele I know you are a lecturer in "Lecturer in the Anthropology of Religion" at Aberdeen University and your speciality seems to be Islam. I wonder if that gives you an insight not granted to the rest of us - or a bias.
(9) 2007-10-31 18:34:36
Taz: Quote



Ah! We should not ignore blackmail then? Surely, to give in to these terroristas is to show you will always give-in.

None of us here wants terrorists to win and force us to adopt THEIR policies - or else!
— ShahidM


No silly boy. It is not about adopting their policies it is about understanding the motivations of people who are willing to blow themselves up and their fellow citizens. What makes them do it? Interesting that you wouldn't mind if the crucial factor were an "evil ideology" but you seem to be upset with the prima-facia evidence of the bombers own words. That's very interesting.
(10) 2007-10-31 20:00:01
shamsur: Quote

The Policy Exchange is a neo conservative think tank which is trying to muzzle its way deep into british politics the same way as AIPAC is doing in the USA.

All youre going to find there are zionists and their symphasisers who will stop at nothing but to slander Islam.

They are coming out fightiong for what they challenge as islamofasicm, and i bed anyone a million quid they have already got daily mail chief zionist Richard Littlejohn on board.

The only way to stop these zionist cowards are to send them where they rightfully should be the US of A..
(11) 2007-10-31 21:52:44
brother: Quote

right wing organisation? like MPACUK? :) religious organisations are also right wing, remember! :)
(12) 2007-10-31 22:49:36
ShahidM: Quote



Ah! We should not ignore blackmail then? Surely, to give in to these terroristas is to show you will always give-in.

None of us here wants terrorists to win and force us to adopt THEIR policies - or else!
— Taz


No silly boy. It is not about adopting their policies it is about understanding the motivations of people who are willing to blow themselves up and their fellow citizens. What makes them do it? Interesting that you wouldn't mind if the crucial factor were an "evil ideology" but you seem to be upset with the prima-facia evidence of the bombers own words. That's very interesting.
— ShahidM


@Taz, I maintain its about blackmail. I remember one of the rallies when the feedback was that the Government should change Foreign Policy or the Muslim community could not guarantee that radicalised young Muslims wouldn't follow the path of suicide bombers.

Government ministers roundly condemned those remarks as a threat and blackmail.

The fact is that Foreign Policy isn't going to change to satisfy a tiny minority of people from a pressure group any more than a bunch of Global Warming protestors is going to change anything.

Surely, the message is that NO person should consider using terrorism against British people (or anyone else) for ANY reason, ever. Surely the message is that Terrorism is NEVER justified.
(13) 2007-11-01 13:09:45
shan: Quote

MODS shahidm is another zionist chameleon turning this blog into a slanging match.
topic rules need to be applied.
(14) 2007-11-01 13:38:28
Taz: Quote



Ah! We should not ignore blackmail then? Surely, to give in to these terroristas is to show you will always give-in.

None of us here wants terrorists to win and force us to adopt THEIR policies - or else!
— ShahidM


No silly boy. It is not about adopting their policies it is about understanding the motivations of people who are willing to blow themselves up and their fellow citizens. What makes them do it? Interesting that you wouldn't mind if the crucial factor were an "evil ideology" but you seem to be upset with the prima-facia evidence of the bombers own words. That's very interesting.
— Taz


@Taz, I maintain its about blackmail. I remember one of the rallies when the feedback was that the Government should change Foreign Policy or the Muslim community could not guarantee that radicalised young Muslims wouldn't follow the path of suicide bombers.

Government ministers roundly condemned those remarks as a threat and blackmail.

The fact is that Foreign Policy isn't going to change to satisfy a tiny minority of people from a pressure group any more than a bunch of Global Warming protestors is going to change anything.

Surely, the message is that NO person should consider using terrorism against British people (or anyone else) for ANY reason, ever. Surely the message is that Terrorism is NEVER justified.
— ShahidM



Once again the issue is not blackmail, it is about analysis. Is there a link between foreign policy and radicalisation? I don't belive these people were born radicals. Stay on-topic "ShahidM".
(15) 2007-11-01 15:47:26
ShahidM: Quote

@Taz,

I appreciate that disgareement with Foreign Policy is an explanation.

I still assert that its blackmail, as the Government itself stated. Let's take the word of Dr Daud Abdullah, Deputy Secretary General of the umbrella Muslim Council of Britain:-

""The government should give those vulnerable youths channels to air their views," he believes.

"We must listen to radicals, listen to their concerns, give them a sense of belongingness."

The Muslim community leader said it was high time the government stopped stifling debate and making those vulnerable youths feel as fifth columnists.

"We must engage more with the youths, create platforms of discussions to allow them to openly and frankly speak their minds out and make them feel they are stakeholders in the national interest of this society."

Abdullah said part of the problem with the Blair government was that it did not listen.

He recalled that the doors of hell broke loose after Muslim organizations signed an open letter last year, blaming the Blair's government's foreign policy for giving ammunitions to radicals and terrorists.

"The government and media alike called the letter blackmail and claimed that Muslims wanted to hijack the country's foreign policy," said Abdullah."

(Interview with IslamOnline July 8th 2007)

So, its not me who's saying its blackmail.
(16) 2007-11-02 09:16:20
RSD: Quote

While we may disagree about the quality of scholarship there is no question that the cited quotes are correct. Even without the interpretation and conclusions of the authors the texts alone illustrate that there real reasons to be concerned about the values that UK Muslim men and women are being taught in relation to the society they live in.
That the presence of these texts are tolerated illustrates a worrying degree of hypocrisy where the Muslim communities demands that their non-Muslim counterparts suppress any similarly sectarian texts but tolerate them within Mosques and schools.
As is often stated Islam and Muslims are not new to the UK. There can thus be no defence where texts as these show that values are promoted by Islamic authorities which conflict directly with the values of the UK and its laws.
(17) 2007-11-05 20:51:13
Taz: Quote

While we may disagree about the quality of scholarship there is no question that the cited quotes are correct. Even without the interpretation and conclusions of the authors the texts alone illustrate that there real reasons to be concerned about the values that UK Muslim men and women are being taught in relation to the society they live in.
That the presence of these texts are tolerated illustrates a worrying degree of hypocrisy where the Muslim communities demands that their non-Muslim counterparts suppress any similarly sectarian texts but tolerate them within Mosques and schools.
As is often stated Islam and Muslims are not new to the UK. There can thus be no defence where texts as these show that values are promoted by Islamic authorities which conflict directly with the values of the UK and its laws.
— RSD


Lies. "Muslim communities demands that their non-Muslim counterparts suppress any similarly sectarian texts..." Where/ Site an example.

Either the texts are illegal in which case the authoroties should step in or they are not in which case this is an illustration of the free speech this country upholds. Policy Exchange have not made the claim that they are illegal. It is just more Islamophobia from Policy Exchange.
(18) 2007-11-06 12:55:50
RSD: Quote

Taz, This site alone is a ready example where Muslims urge that tolerance is afforded the Muslim community. The allegations of Islamophobia here are just that..
The texts presented in the report clearly show that the authors of those texts do not wish to afford the same to non-Muslims, or even some other Muslims.
Prosecution is not the answer. It is far better if the Muslim communities examine the texts and consider to what degree that which is being taught fundamentally conflicts with the law and norms of this society, and which could be used to incite hatred and violence against others. Validating sectarian / racist fabrications such as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and presenting them as the truth is very dangerous. 1st of all it validates Jewish beliefs that Muslims hate Jews and intend them harm. 2nd it limits the capacity of those Muslims who believe such things to operate effectively in this world. It is no concidence that the wealthiest and most efficient states in the world are the most tolerant, open and egalitarian.
It is concomitant upon members of a society that wish to benefit from that membership that they abide by its values. If the Muslim community allows the authors of the quoted texts to represent them, and to shape the perceptions of their future generations in the UK then it is reasonable for non-Muslims to enquire of them to what degree are Muslims full members of this society and by what right do they claim the benefits. My own opinion is that these texts do not represent the broad UK Muslim community, yet they have sufficient influence me and others to be worried.
(19) 2007-11-06 20:00:35
Zesto: Quote

While we may disagree about the quality of scholarship there is no question that the cited quotes are correct. Even without the interpretation and conclusions of the authors the texts alone illustrate that there real reasons to be concerned about the values that UK Muslim men and women are being taught in relation to the society they live in.
That the presence of these texts are tolerated illustrates a worrying degree of hypocrisy where the Muslim communities demands that their non-Muslim counterparts suppress any similarly sectarian texts but tolerate them within Mosques and schools.
As is often stated Islam and Muslims are not new to the UK. There can thus be no defence where texts as these show that values are promoted by Islamic authorities which conflict directly with the values of the UK and its laws.
— Taz


Lies. "Muslim communities demands that their non-Muslim counterparts suppress any similarly sectarian texts..." Where/ Site an example.

Either the texts are illegal in which case the authoroties should step in or they are not in which case this is an illustration of the free speech this country upholds. Policy Exchange have not made the claim that they are illegal. It is just more Islamophobia from Policy Exchange.
— RSD


Laws against Homophobia will find any text that suggests Homosexuality is wrong and should be punished by death is clearly an incitement and unlawful.

Iqbal Sacranie was visited because of his views on Homosexuals. This is especially troublesome to Muslim Homosexuals who get prejudice from society and religion.

The reason why the police are reluctant to act is because they have to tread on egg-shells when dealing with the Muslim Community.

I can just see 50 police raiding a Gran Mosque and loading the books into cartons to be taken away.

Similarly, texts which disparage Jews, or which subscribe to false Jewish conspiracies are Antisemitic. Again, the police won't upset the Muslim community with a justified raid.

But one day ........ they will!
(20) 2007-11-06 21:26:07
Zesto: Quote

Taz, This site alone is a ready example where Muslims urge that tolerance is afforded the Muslim community. The allegations of Islamophobia here are just that..
The texts presented in the report clearly show that the authors of those texts do not wish to afford the same to non-Muslims, or even some other Muslims.
Prosecution is not the answer. It is far better if the Muslim communities examine the texts and consider to what degree that which is being taught fundamentally conflicts with the law and norms of this society, and which could be used to incite hatred and violence against others. Validating sectarian / racist fabrications such as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and presenting them as the truth is very dangerous. 1st of all it validates Jewish beliefs that Muslims hate Jews and intend them harm. 2nd it limits the capacity of those Muslims who believe such things to operate effectively in this world. It is no concidence that the wealthiest and most efficient states in the world are the most tolerant, open and egalitarian.
It is concomitant upon members of a society that wish to benefit from that membership that they abide by its values. If the Muslim community allows the authors of the quoted texts to represent them, and to shape the perceptions of their future generations in the UK then it is reasonable for non-Muslims to enquire of them to what degree are Muslims full members of this society and by what right do they claim the benefits. My own opinion is that these texts do not represent the broad UK Muslim community, yet they have sufficient influence me and others to be worried.
— RSD


WHat if you indoctrinate children with such hateful nuances based on religious texts? Don't we then begin to understand the recent MI5 speech about how the young have been encouraged into terrorism?
(21) 2007-11-06 21:28:33
Truth Seeker: Quote

Why don't we have look at Christian and Jewish sciptures where the same things are said.

It is hyprocy that is at work here when the Muslims are agian blamed for being against Homosexual's and other religions.

One needs to understand the religious aspect of these holy scriptures before jumping the bandwagon and declaring that Muslims are racist against the Jews and persucute Homosexuals.

I don't see what the point is when Christianity and Judaism as a religions have not denounced together denounced that Homosexuality is forbidden.

A decent example would be the Vatican, or the USA for the religious followings of Christainity based on these aspects. If the pope now changes his beleif that Homosexuality is OK than fair enough.
(22) 2007-11-07 14:06:25
Dr Gabriele Marranci: Quote



Dr Gabriele, here is a quote from the Policy Exchange report:-

"Some Examples of the Methods Employed by Zionism to Accomplish its Goals:
1. Instigating confusion, schemes and conspiracies throughout history […] You will not find any confusion in which the Jews did not play a role.
2. Their attempt at trying to immerse nations in vice and the spread of fornication. The Jews controlled this kind of trade and promoted it. They manage the bars in Europe and the United States and in Israel itself.
3. Controlling literature and art by spreading the immoral pornographic literature...
4. Controlling the movie industry and art in the western world and elsewhere.
5. Cheating, bribing, stealing, and conning.
[…] The Jews are a people who were moulded with treachery and backstabbing throughout the centuries, and they do not keep their word nor honour their promise …
(Found in a book for -1st Grade High School Level: at the King Fahad Academy, west London. The book also presents as fact, the thesis of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion")

Perhaps you would like to qualify why this isn't racist hate literature against Jews.

Maybe they left out the word "NOT".

Dr Gabriele I know you are a lecturer in "Lecturer in the Anthropology of Religion" at Aberdeen University and your speciality seems to be Islam. I wonder if that gives you an insight not granted to the rest of us - or a bias.
— ShahidM


Dear ShahidM
thanks for your comment.
You can read my two posts and see my position. I may also suggest that you read my book Jihad Beyond Islam. This can clarify more about my research, work,position and, of course,'bias'.

Days have now passed and the author of the report, or Policy Exchange itself, has not offered any answerer to my questions. From an accademic viewpoint, the report appears to be under standard. I understand that it is aim was merely political. Yet If the report were presented as just 'journalism', I would have not wasted my time with it, but it has been presented as a serious accademic work.
Hence, as such, it needed to be peer-reviewed. I just started from the main part of an accademic research, the methodology.
I can change my mind about this report if the author would clarify the points concerning his methodology and the impression that the research was done unethically. I still waiting.
Gabriele
(23) 2007-11-07 20:47:41
RSD: Quote

Truthseeker;
While Judaism and Christianity may oppose a number of practices, they do not appear to promote the idea that a Jew or Christian should commit an act of violence against a transgressor. If various spokespersons for Islam do appear to have standing and authority in the Muslim community and do state that Islam validates violence, then non-Muslims have cause to be concerned. It should also be of great concern to the Muslim community if teachers, imams etc are saying that Islam authorises actions which are criminal in UK law.
I think you should read the report and the quoted texts and consider the implications if someone takes them literally and acts upon them.
(24) 2007-11-08 20:48:08
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