| MPACUK Congratulates The Conservative Muslim Forum |
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| Thursday, 01 November 2007 | |
It is long overdue but the Conservative Muslim Forum has finally done the decent thing and stuck up for the truth. David Cameron tries to portray himself as the all things to all men type of Conservative. The poor man’s toff if you will, but he is an out and out Zionist and despite the photo opportunities, his Muslim friendly credentials are questionable to say the least.He commissioned dame Pauline Neville Jones the former head of Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC,) to write a report on international security. The controversial report titled An Unquiet World made a number of ham-fisted, biased and sweeping statements in regards to Muslims. It went as far as accusing the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) of being “hardline” and not wanting to integrate Muslims - “the MCB does not have as one of its aims, the integration of members of Muslim communities into the wider society of the UK” a deliberate distortion of the MCB’s aims. The group also accused the MCB failing to participate in Holocaust Memorial Day. A position that has been the cause of debate within the MCB and the organisation has opposed the event as one that has become politicised and suggested that it should be more inclusive by commemorating all genocide. The report deliberately tries to downplay the MCB’s mainstream credentials and alleges it is dominated by hardliners. Neville-Jones does not stop there. She goes on to denigrate MPACUK with “…deluge with emails those whom they wish to influence in standard pressure group manner”. She also recounts the saga involving Asghar Bukhari and his personal donation of sixty pounds to David Irving the controversial historian who was subsequently discredited as a Holocaust denier but in a classic piece of propaganda she only tells half the story i.e. the accusation but not the rebuttal. Mr Bukhari said he made the donation in the mistaken belief that Irving was simply “tough on Israel” and not truly anti-Semitic as banding this type of accusation about is a standard tactic of the Zionist lobby. Once Irving was found guilty, Mr Bukhari disassociated himself and stated that “he would not support anyone who was anti-Semitic”. The report smears both the MCB and MPACUK without even waiting for a response and is clearly a Zionist inspired attack. The Conservative Muslim Forum points out the inaccuracies and distortions in the report in an attempt to establish the truth. They state in their response to the report that “Regardless of whether one finds Israel a congenial country or not, on any objective assessment the type of unqualified support given to Israel by the current Government is not conducive to British national interests as this could damage Britain’s relationships with 1.5 billion Muslims worldwide, including those in Britain. Britain's interests would be better served by forceful diplomatic pressure on Israel in order to press her to withdraw from the occupied territories and negotiate seriously for a two state solution. William Hague was right when he said that it is wrong for Israel to respond to attacks disproportionately as this would only result in the loss of innocent civilian lives. We must therefore be frank and stern whenever Israel over-reacts. For example, were Israel to use cluster bombs again as they did in Lebanon in 2006, a Conservative Administration must respond appropriately. With regards to the Palestine-Israel conflict, the Conservative Party should continue urging a two-state solution. In all our dealings with Israel, we must always remember the plight of displaced Palestinians.” On the racist ideology of Zionism. The report states “An incoming Conservative Administration must appreciate that a pro-Zionist attitude will not bode well with many. Pro-zionist statements only damage relationships with Muslims nationally and internationally. Thus, statements like the one made by David Cameron on 12th June 2007 can be too easily interpreted as unbalanced and weighted towards only the zionist and Israeli positions.” On the “issue” of Iran “There is no legal basis for denying Iran civilian nuclear research once the safeguard issues under dispute with the IAEA are resolved. Furthermore, Iran has an absolute legal right to leave the NPT by giving notice, as mentioned in the report. Given Iran's position in the Middle East, facing a nuclear armed Israel, Iran appears to have legitimate reasons for seeking nuclear weapons for defensive purposes. However, an incoming Conservative administration should continue to oppose Iran’s nuclear weapon ambitions, and our primary goal should be assisting in the strengthening of Iranian state institutions to avoid any risk of the transfer of nuclear technology to non state actors. Our approach to Iran should be one of negotiation and mutual dialogue, not threats. The development of peaceful civilian nuclear power technology should be supported. Any collusion by Britain in an Israeli or American military strike against Iran would be extremely damaging to Britain's long-term security interests.” The response goes on to make a number of other intelligent, well argued and sincere criticisms of An Unquiet World and makes very interesting reading. True to form the Zionist dominated Tory house journal - The Daily Telegraph, reports the CMF’s response by screaming “Muslim Tories: 'Iran has right to nuclear arms'”. The Zionist supporting Conservative Home website also tries to jump on the bandwagon by being very selective and the CMF’s response. Muslims should read both the original report and the response from the Conservative Muslim Forum and recognise that there is an active Zionist cabal at the highest levels of the Conservative party. They should also consider that not all Tories are Zionists however. There are Muslims in the Conervative party such as those in the Conservative Muslim Forum who, like MPACUK, are genuinely concerned about Muslim integration in Britain and see no conflict between being a Conservative and a Muslim. British Muslims should participate fully and sincerely in mainstream democratic politics including supporting any of the three mainstream parties. The Conservative Muslim Forum should be warmly congratulated for writing a generally excellent response and showing Muslims what is possible when intelligent, hard working Muslims take the time and effort to stand up for the truth. The Conservative leadership should take heed. The CMF are an asset to you. Without them, Tory credibility amongst most Muslims would be close to zero. Readers have left 13 comments.
ShahidM:
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The theme that often comes thru when MPAC discuss issues concerning UK politics and Muslim influence of policy (domestic and foreign) is that there is impotence in being able to make those influences.
When the population is small (1.5 million versus 60 million) then the political muscle is near zero and often zero sum because the Muslim vote is probably spread between the main parties almost evenly. The political leanings of the UK are dominated by Labour and Conservative. They are naturally MORE aligned towards Western-style, liberal democracies. Israel scores much higher than Arab countries stained by hate for the West and support of terrorism. CMF are but a mouse squeak and it didn't even need CMF to write their report. I could have written it for them and come up with the same report - except I would have written it from the perspective of parody. It dovetail's with the program "Britz" where the radical leader said "So you've tried political campaigning. Where did that get you?" Why not embrace the Third Way which is to accept that if you can't change something then either accept it or go to where the political climate and society ethic is more accommodating. Again, in Britz, the father sent mother and daughter packing to Pakistan because he refused to tolerate her free will and human rights. If political leverage is not available and terrorism not acceptable then what else can you do?
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2007-11-02 08:20:01
Akram:
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ShahidM
you may find that actually over 80% of the Muslim community tends to vote Labour, our vote is not evenly split between the main 2 parties at all. The reality is this is the only way we will have our influence in britain, Muslim dominated constituencies can decide at least a dozen seats in any general election, plus heavily inflence voting in at least another 40. We when properly organised have the power to decide the fate of governments. And we will continue to develop our strength until Prime Ministers are well aware of what awaits them should they go against our wishes. CMF you are doing a great job for all us Muslims. from a member of the Labour party.
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2007-11-02 12:13:00
ShahidM:
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ShahidM — Akramyou may find that actually over 80% of the Muslim community tends to vote Labour, our vote is not evenly split between the main 2 parties at all. The reality is this is the only way we will have our influence in britain, Muslim dominated constituencies can decide at least a dozen seats in any general election, plus heavily inflence voting in at least another 40. We when properly organised have the power to decide the fate of governments. And we will continue to develop our strength until Prime Ministers are well aware of what awaits them should they go against our wishes. CMF you are doing a great job for all us Muslims. from a member of the Labour party. Apart from the freak of Bethnal Green where a vote was wasted on an MP with no influence, except as an irritant, name one constituency where a Muslim-friendly candidate won the seat BECAUSE of a Muslim vote. The fact is that even in a constituency with a Muslim MP candidate the party vote will win - not the Muslim candidate. And the proof of that is Bethnal Green where the Liberal candidate was a Muslim and Galloway took him apart in debate. It is rare that the winning candidate reflects a minority bias since teh candidate must appeal to ALL voters. Judged by the number of MP's and candidtaes labelled "Zionist" by the likes of MPAC you would have to conclude that the UK vote is for the Zionist Party. You aren't going to change that.
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2007-11-02 15:15:42
Russell:
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I find it amusing to read ShahidM posts which can only be described as a Zionist behind Shahid Maliks name.
But just to answer Mr Maliks postings which try to persuade the politically active Muslims into giving up that you can see that a small number of pro-war Zionists who have infiltrated think tanks and made them into institutions islamophobia (Policy Exchange: Charles Moore and that dip stick who looks like "Honey I Shrunk the Kids") another example can be Conservative Friends of Israel. I can tell you for sure that the Conservative Party has nothing to gain from a brutal regime which is called Israel it outstrips the Nazi regime by miles as it does plan on the extermination of the people of Gaza. Hitler hated the Jews because they were Jews but Israel hates the Palestinians because they are Palestinians.
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2007-11-02 16:28:10
Russell:
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Also, I am proud that the Conservative Party has got an organisation which at least stands for the Conservative values and does not try to hijack it for the another state.
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2007-11-02 16:30:50
ShahidM:
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I find it amusing to read ShahidM posts which can only be described as a Zionist behind Shahid Maliks name. — RussellBut just to answer Mr Maliks postings which try to persuade the politically active Muslims into giving up that you can see that a small number of pro-war Zionists who have infiltrated think tanks and made them into institutions islamophobia (Policy Exchange: Charles Moore and that dip stick who looks like "Honey I Shrunk the Kids") another example can be Conservative Friends of Israel. I can tell you for sure that the Conservative Party has nothing to gain from a brutal regime which is called Israel it outstrips the Nazi regime by miles as it does plan on the extermination of the people of Gaza. Hitler hated the Jews because they were Jews but Israel hates the Palestinians because they are Palestinians. So here is an interesting question. If the identity of posters is supposed to be hidden by their handle then how come you presume to know my name? Perhaps you are an MPAC insisder posing as a member of the public. Ooops! Homosexual vote carries more voting power than the Muslim vote. Clearly, the British Electorate prefer to vote for MP's who also support Israel since every Government in the 20th century has been pro-Israel. I don't suggest you ever give up because it would be anti-Democratic for me to say so. I am suggesting that your effort doesn't get rewarded with the result you want and the more voiciferous your attempt to force politics to your satisfaction ends up with more votes against than for. Its the same reality if Quakers or Sikhs tried to impose across the UK a Government only favourable to their demands. You had William Hague saying that Israel's response should be proportional to The Lebanon. Having said that once I don't think he has repeated his mistake. David Cameron has declared he is a Zionist and Brown is strongly thought to be one. Sorry, but you won't change that.
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2007-11-02 18:00:06
Abraham Cohen:
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Looks like Shahid M (read I'm a Zionist real name Lord Levi oooops!) is trying to act like an undercover spoiler, motive? ..So Muslims feel its pointless getting involved in the political arena...
Now one wonders, if it didnt work, why would Shahid be trying to hard to make it us not do it. Could it be the fact it would allow the tiny minority of Zionists to push their pro war agenda unchallenged from within the parties ..... I wonder....
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2007-11-02 20:01:03
ShahidM:
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Looks like Shahid M (read I'm a Zionist real name Lord Levi oooops!) is trying to act like an undercover spoiler, motive? ..So Muslims feel its pointless getting involved in the political arena... — Abraham CohenNow one wonders, if it didnt work, why would Shahid be trying to hard to make it us not do it. Could it be the fact it would allow the tiny minority of Zionists to push their pro war agenda unchallenged from within the parties ..... I wonder.... Abe, did you see the film Britz? Did you hear the fulcrum point that turned the girl into considering a radicalised/terrorist path? It was when the terrorist agent said to her "So you've tried political activism. Where did it get you?" It makes the very real point that political activism hasn't achieved anything because its agenda is opposed to the vast majority political view. And so that illustrates the problem of political impotence. How many marches were ther about Stop The War? Have any of those wars stopped? European and Western politics has an embedded Judaeo-Christian basis from 2000 years history. It can't be changed by political views outside of those parameters. It stretches a little to accommodate traditional ethical and moral values but, I suspect, not enough to make you happy that YOUR manifesto comes to fruition. BTW, it also ensures that the BNP manifesto doesn't become serious either. The ONLY minority that has achieved political gains in recognition has been the Homosexual agenda because Homosexuality is present within all sections of society, including politicians and law-makers.
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2007-11-03 09:31:38
Taz:
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Oh dear ShahidM the Zionist is confusing a television drama with reality. He's funny.
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2007-11-03 17:57:35
ShahidM:
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Oh dear ShahidM the Zionist is confusing a television drama with reality. He's funny. — TazThat was DRAMA??? I thought it was an accurate DOCUMENTARY!!! The film was based on facts and reality. The statement about "Where is political activism getting you?" is spot-on because I don't see any positive effects from political Jihad in the UK. I see negative responses. Its not working guys - and neither is terrorism. Try better integration and allegiance to the Union Jack.
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2007-11-03 21:20:04
Zesto:
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The relationship between Jews and Zionism relating to the establishment and right to a Jewish nation re-established seems to quite succintly described by Melanie Phillips.
Google for "The Indissoluble Link". Apparently the Conservative Party said about the CMF report "Interesting but not party policy. thanks" Clunk! (as it hit the bin) It does seem that CMF wasted an opportunity.
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2007-11-04 14:27:34
Adam Smith:
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The Jews number far less than the Muslims here in the UK. Yet they have more MPs, more media commentators, more influence and more clout in general.
Hint: It can be done. As an outsider, sometimes I think Muslims are their own worst enemy. Your community should not be negative and complaining that things can't be done, but you should actually get out there and do something about it. Stop blaming everyone else. If the Jews can do it then so can Muslims.
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2007-11-04 15:33:19
Zesto:
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The Jews number far less than the Muslims here in the UK. Yet they have more MPs, more media commentators, more influence and more clout in general. — Adam SmithHint: It can be done. As an outsider, sometimes I think Muslims are their own worst enemy. Your community should not be negative and complaining that things can't be done, but you should actually get out there and do something about it. Stop blaming everyone else. If the Jews can do it then so can Muslims. The Jews went for assimilation, study and keeping quiet. They made few demands on their country and used their education and desire to achieve in order to weave themselves into the fabric of society. Hence they are seen to be successful far beyond their size of population. They didn't blame anyone for their victimisation through Antisemitism - they just ignored it and went around it. I agree that this model is open to all races and religions.
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2007-11-05 00:06:49
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It is long overdue but the Conservative Muslim Forum has finally done the decent thing and stuck up for the truth. David Cameron tries to portray himself as the all things to all men type of Conservative. The poor man’s toff if you will, but he is an out and out Zionist and despite the photo opportunities, his Muslim friendly credentials are questionable to say the least.










