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| Wednesday, 24 October 2007 | |
One of the unique competitive advantages that MPACUK have over other
groups is our ability to live by our creed. When MPACUK talk about
Mosque reform, we are not just happy for the word and message to be
adopted; we don’t see as a success measure the adoption of the word as
a goal in itself. We want to see Mosques reform to serve and defend
their community and religion. When we talk about Palestine, we then
work to see pressure placed on Israel until there is a ‘just’
settlement. When we demand accountability, we hold the powerful and
privileged to account and allow ourselves to be held accountable. When
we demand Muslims engage in the political process, we are right there,
in election after election. We live by our words, we will not allow
them to be used as idle chatter, as a form of self-approval and as an
excuse to do nothing.Our words are our deeds. Words have been adopted before, then debased by a lack of action, and will be again. History will repeat itself and the Ummah will stay on the merry go-round. The Muslims almost have the unique ability to absorb intellectual sustenance and then produce fat and a noxious waste as the output. MPACUK are determined to break that cycle, our deeds will speak louder then our words and our words will be loud. If you’re wondering where I am going with this, well, I’m going into your very psyche, your experiences, your life. Let me explain. The great Tabligi Jamaat (TJ) movement, founded on the principles and ideology of perfecting oneself, now results in earnest young men scurrying around in short trousers quoting like parrots the powerful rallying cry ‘Perfect yourself, brother.’ After two hundred years the inspiration behind the movement, that had a possible answer to colonilisation, is nothing more then another group with no vibrancy, no answers to today's problems and no understanding of the true meaning of the insight that Allah gave the founders. You know these people, you know the movement, you have met them and they are part of our shared experience, yet they have gone unchallenged and we have accepted their debasing of a powerful Islamic concept. Let’s break it down. “Perfect Yourself” has become to mean, as identified by the young men, the obligatory prayers, fasting during Ramadan, Hajj, Zakat and the Shahada. However the movement has maintained momentum but has it maintained its vibrancy? Surely the Tabligi scholars must understand that perfection does not stop at the basics, a perfect house is more than the support pillars. A perfect human is more then the man who fulfils his obligations to Allah - to attain perfection he or she must at least fulfill an obligation to Allah, his fellow man, nature and the environment. After all, for a man to attain perfection he has to be in a social environment where perfection is a standard, either achievable or unachievable. Perfection cannot be an insular goal of self-achievement. When have you ever heard a young acolyte of Tabligi Jamaat knock on your door and say, “After prayers will you join us, teaching young kids mathematics?” or providing ‘meals on wheels’ or helping out at the local hospital? They don’t, because social work is considered a distraction from the self-perfection model. They don’t and you don’t ask them to. The sound bite ‘Perfect Yourself’, the insight Allah has given the founders of TJ, has been wasted by the insular and the dogmatic. The ideology of perfection has turned from a meaning of becoming a ‘super man’ into one of ‘protecting yourself’. Protecting yourself from failing an obligation, protecting yourself from hell fire, protecting yourself from western contamination? The volumes written by contemporary TJ scholars on the evils of having an interest-bearing current account and the need for Halal finance, finds an audience far more readily than books examining the priorities of Jihad and how to ‘struggle’ to do good deeds within the Western democratic system. Where is the Tabligi scholar who writes books on the ‘perfection’ attained by being accountable and the ‘perfection’ of holding people to account? But TJ are not the only ones whose founders were blessed with an insight of a powerful solution by Allah and whose legacy was squandered by unimaginative and uninspiring followers. The power of the Khilafa has been championed by Hizb Tarir (HT). The idea naturally is an Islamic heritage, a form of Government that should be benign, responsible and responsive, a unifying force for Good. Allah blessed the founders with the idea, within their lifetime they saw the end of the corrupt Ottoman Caliphate and the anarchy that followed. The founders preferred the former. However HT, the movement, seem to think that the Caliphate will be established by talking. They think that once it arrives all the Muslims' problems will magically be resolved, tyranny banished, a utopia on earth. The idea of a unified political force is argued as a priority fard. The dream of being free of oppression has turned into a panacea of Islam’s problem. The original idea gifted from Allah, has turned into an insipid movement where reaching a tipping point by talking will magically create the unified Muslim Government. They (HT) couldn’t open up a sweet shop by talking, without fighting against injustice; they can’t solve a litter problem, let alone the issues facing the corruption and occupation of the Muslim world. Their members, intelligent, thoughtful and articulate seem to gloss over the barbarism and tyranny many of the Khalifa’s unleashed on their very own population. They don’t deal or mention the issues of the dueling Khalifas of the Abassids v Fatimids, both claiming to be decedents of the Prophet, both in fact puppets to the Seljuks and Mamluks, who in the name of the Khalifah, killed more Muslims then the Crusaders did. They don’t deal with the historical fact that the Damascus Khalifa at his height fell to the Moghuls? And when challenged they have a tripe answer, that the Khalifas had left the teachings of the Prophet and Qur'an. MPACUK are not against the Khalifa concept, we are against the idea of a Khalifa, turning from a powerful answer to contemporary problems into a vapid, indoctrination, set in time, unchangeable, unmovable, redundant to today’s problems. The Khalifa cannot be defined as anti-Western, or as anti-democracy. It must be defined as a unifying salve, beneficial to the Ummah and non-Muslims. HT’s adherents are looking through the rose-tinted lens of hope, but the state of their adherents gathered as a popular movement is drawn from a low caliber Ummah. An Ummah who would rather talk than act, an Ummah who thinks spouting hot air to other Muslim’s takes them one step nearer to their goal of a unified Ummah. In the entire time they have been in the UK, they struggle to pinpoint a single concrete example of their achievements to gain the utopian goal they pretend to adhere to. Until that is, they want to open a sweet shop, then with a moment's self-reflection, they get practical and do concrete steps? There are hundreds of powerful ideas. Muslims have been inspired to adopt. Allah has granted insights to great men and women yet after the insight, their followers, who lack a stomach to really change their situation, turn the insight into a dogma, turn the solution into the problem, and focus their movement's energy on yesterday’s problems. MPACUK accept these and other ideologies and insights. We accept we need to gain perfection, we accept the need for a Khalifa, we accept that meditation can help us build a relationship with Allah, we accept that ‘we must go back to the basics’ and many other insights that help us understand the world we live in. We accept the Qur'an, the Sunnah, the Prophets, Angels and Scholars, but what we do not accept is the situation that Muslims find themselves in. And that resistance and refusal to accept that Muslims are victims make MPACUK a potent force. When we come across an ideology we can quickly determine if its one that pacifies the Muslims or whether it liberates them; does it do more harm than good; whether it is refutable by Islamic scholars, or is it another truth that has to be accepted and is it practical. And in these dark times, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Join MPACUK. Join the Jihad. Readers have left 19 comments.
you muppet:
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i suppose these are valuable questions that are posed here, why is so many movements turn dogmatic over time.
is it because the ideology is dogmatic, or the muslims only capable to accepting dogma? I think its probably the second and that is why you guys struggle to gain members and finance.
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2007-10-25 11:03:42
DaveZ:
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"We accept we need to gain perfection, we accept the need for a Khalifa"
Well the majority of people in the UK don't share your vision and so you will be frustrated. There are, srely, countries which are closer to achieving a near Caliphate status. Wouldn't it be easier and less tension if people emigrated to those countries to fulfil their dreams rather than try and make then on soil that is infertile? you muppet expresses some truth that with the policies stated then you will drift to the fringe rather than mainstream. However, a great subject to raise for debate.
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2007-10-25 11:45:30
shan:
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The masjids in the U.K need to get their act togather and play a role that they were meant for.
their role is the guidance of muslims and uniting them in acheving their goals in a strong and unified way. the newer generations of british born imams and committe members will bring about gradual change. mpac is doing a job that the masjid committes should have helped in.
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2007-10-25 12:37:30
you muppet:
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I dont think this article talks about making people do things they have no issue with, it is a theological debate aimed at muslims and how they engage with the world. If non Muslims have issues with Muslims even talking without getting their knickers in a twist, well that show's their bigotry and not ours.
my point isnt mpac are dogmatic, i think they have clarity of vision and are providing a valuable alternative to muslim apologists, muslim extremists and a valuable rebutal of unreasonable islamophobia. My point is that Muslims as a multipple of cultures are not ready to change the situation they are in and as such will continue to cling to dogma rather then create change.
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2007-10-25 13:18:13
DaveZ:
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@you muppet,
I have absolutely NO issue with discussions about Islam and Caliphate. I would only have an issue if it imposed on my liberty & freedom. My point is that the 'striving' for a Caliphate in a country that would react negatively to its establishment is counter-productive to Community relations and that better than create problems on might seek to go to somewhere where a Caliphate would cause no problem. I see it as one solution towards achieving a goal. I don't advocate Muslims should "go elsewhere" as BNP might say. In fact Tony Blair said something similar a year ago in response to disaffected young radical Muslims.
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2007-10-25 13:44:20
you muppet:
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This article isnt about creating a caliphate in the UK. It isnt about infringing on liberties or anything such like. It is about what people say and do.
I undestand given the venomsome Muslims have gone about talking about the Caliphate that people are nervous, but to mention it, and for you to react the way you have, shows that you need to learn more and not jump to assumptions and Muslims need to reach out more and ensure that Islamic concepts are not turned into words of fear to non Muslims.
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2007-10-25 13:49:53
George:
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@ you muppet.
What you say is very true. But I would put MPACUK in the Muslim apologists category. regards
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2007-10-25 13:57:03
you muppet:
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George,
You must be the first, if anything I cant see how as MPAC have campaigned to get rid of Zionist MP after Zionist MP. They clearly stated foreign policy as a cause for Blair's foreign policy when most other groups run for the hills. In regards to Muslim's who are extremists, they have held HT, Algarooba, and other groups to account and stated on national TV that the people behind the cartoon banners should be prosecuted. If anything MPACUK have shown that they are comfortable as citizens of the UK, without either kow towing to the powers or making excuses for their own community.
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2007-10-25 16:25:21
George:
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sorry, we might be talking at cross-purposes - I don't understand your point about campaigning to get rid of Zionist MPs (anyway - isn't it for the electorate to do that? And why can't an MP call himself a 'zionist'?).
As for MPAC being 'apologists' - I take the term to mean someone, for example, who blames foreign policy for 7/7 rather than fire-breathing, self-appointed imams quoting holy scriptures and religious commentaries and providing religious justifications. So, whilst, yes, overall MPAC seem to be advocates of moderacy, I see an unpleasant streak in the choice of articles and headlines that reveals an agenda not that far from the groups you mention. regards
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2007-10-25 16:45:42
DaveZ:
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George, — you muppetYou must be the first, if anything I cant see how as MPAC have campaigned to get rid of Zionist MP after Zionist MP. They clearly stated foreign policy as a cause for Blair's foreign policy when most other groups run for the hills. In regards to Muslim's who are extremists, they have held HT, Algarooba, and other groups to account and stated on national TV that the people behind the cartoon banners should be prosecuted. If anything MPACUK have shown that they are comfortable as citizens of the UK, without either kow towing to the powers or making excuses for their own community. Who/What is a Zionist MP? Does it mean an MP who support the concept of Israel? That means at least 70% of MP's. Or do you mean Jewish MP's?
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2007-10-25 17:02:04
AA:
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George, — DaveZYou must be the first, if anything I cant see how as MPAC have campaigned to get rid of Zionist MP after Zionist MP. They clearly stated foreign policy as a cause for Blair's foreign policy when most other groups run for the hills. In regards to Muslim's who are extremists, they have held HT, Algarooba, and other groups to account and stated on national TV that the people behind the cartoon banners should be prosecuted. If anything MPACUK have shown that they are comfortable as citizens of the UK, without either kow towing to the powers or making excuses for their own community. Who/What is a Zionist MP? Does it mean an MP who support the concept of Israel? That means at least 70% of MP's. Or do you mean Jewish MP's? They don't have to be Jewish to support Zionism. Don't try the old trick of equating Zionism (the political ideology) with Judaism (the religion) or Jews (the race). Any MP that continually votes for wars and continually pushes the Zionist agenda when it come to Middle East affairs should be voted out. Yes it is the electorate that decides and Muslims should be aware that voting for warmongers brings about wars. We should only elect those genuinely looking for peace whether they be Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Hindu etc. Bad political ideologies need to be gotten rid of and Zionism has shown itself to be no different than Naziism in its effects. The Palestinians who have been forcefully pushed out of their homes and have been brutally murdered, tortured, imprisoned and humiliated will tell you that they feel no different to the Jews that were persecuted by Hitler and his minions. Don't try and cloud the issue of the British Israeli lobby. These MPs should be held accountable for their actions that influence foreign policy. If we voted them in then we must vote them out. simple as. Thats the democratic way. They work for us remember.. not for Israel.
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2007-10-25 20:47:46
muzzylogic:
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From the forthcoming DZ-o-matic...
extern Country* Israel; extern Ideology* Zionism; //... Comment* c = poster->getLastComment(); if (c->isCriticalOf(Israel) || c->isCriticalOf(Zionism)) { throw AssertAntiSemetismSlander(poster); } ...
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2007-10-25 23:13:27
George:
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" The Palestinians who have been forcefully pushed out of their homes and have been brutally murdered, tortured, imprisoned and humiliated will tell you that they feel no different to the Jews that were persecuted by Hitler and his minions."
AA, you might be right that the Palestininians have been tortured, imprisoned and humiliated etc. But to make the comparison you did with Hitler's treatment of many "inferior" European races is so far off the mark (and a gross offence to the 50 million dead of many countries and ethnic backgrounds) that you either know nothing about it (and I don't see how a suffering Palestinian could know what people went through during Nazi occupation) that you do your cause/argument no favours. (PS Your comparison is also part of the European Union's definition of anti-semitism -or are they run by "Zionists" tooin your world?)
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2007-10-26 08:56:20
DaveZ:
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George, — AAYou must be the first, if anything I cant see how as MPAC have campaigned to get rid of Zionist MP after Zionist MP. They clearly stated foreign policy as a cause for Blair's foreign policy when most other groups run for the hills. In regards to Muslim's who are extremists, they have held HT, Algarooba, and other groups to account and stated on national TV that the people behind the cartoon banners should be prosecuted. If anything MPACUK have shown that they are comfortable as citizens of the UK, without either kow towing to the powers or making excuses for their own community. Who/What is a Zionist MP? Does it mean an MP who support the concept of Israel? That means at least 70% of MP's. Or do you mean Jewish MP's? They don't have to be Jewish to support Zionism. Don't try the old trick of equating Zionism (the political ideology) with Judaism (the religion) or Jews (the race). Any MP that continually votes for wars and continually pushes the Zionist agenda when it come to Middle East affairs should be voted out. Yes it is the electorate that decides and Muslims should be aware that voting for warmongers brings about wars. We should only elect those genuinely looking for peace whether they be Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Hindu etc. Bad political ideologies need to be gotten rid of and Zionism has shown itself to be no different than Naziism in its effects. The Palestinians who have been forcefully pushed out of their homes and have been brutally murdered, tortured, imprisoned and humiliated will tell you that they feel no different to the Jews that were persecuted by Hitler and his minions. Don't try and cloud the issue of the British Israeli lobby. These MPs should be held accountable for their actions that influence foreign policy. If we voted them in then we must vote them out. simple as. Thats the democratic way. They work for us remember.. not for Israel. That's right! The Palestinians have been slaughtered in their millions in gas chambers. I have seen it with my own eyes in a secret extermination camp in the Negev. And remember all those Jewish Terrorist group who suicide bombed Germans in their night-clubs and trains. What about all that anti-Nazi propaganda on Jewish TV channels comparing Germans to rats and vermin - why, we see that every day on Israeli TV. Yes, its JUST LIKE Nazi Germany!!!! Doh! You are right to respect democracy but trying to vote out Zionist supporting MP's on the basis of existing demographics will be impossible. So keep dreaming and wasting time on that one. Try finding an Islamist-supporting MP (Galloway excluded). I submit that any MP coming out in strong favour of an Islamist idealogy will find their electorate won't vote for them. So, the fact is this. Zionist suppoprting MP (read anti-terror) gets the vote.
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2007-10-26 12:00:35
DaveZ:
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" The Palestinians who have been forcefully pushed out of their homes and have been brutally murdered, tortured, imprisoned and humiliated will tell you that they feel no different to the Jews that were persecuted by Hitler and his minions." — GeorgeAA, you might be right that the Palestininians have been tortured, imprisoned and humiliated etc. But to make the comparison you did with Hitler's treatment of many "inferior" European races is so far off the mark (and a gross offence to the 50 million dead of many countries and ethnic backgrounds) that you either know nothing about it (and I don't see how a suffering Palestinian could know what people went through during Nazi occupation) that you do your cause/argument no favours. (PS Your comparison is also part of the European Union's definition of anti-semitism -or are they run by "Zionists" tooin your world?) We must remind George of the Palestinian and Arab support for Nazism during the 2nd WW, and the active part played by Al Husseini and the Bosnian SS. Perhaps George might be educated by the article "The Nazi roots of Muslim antisemitism" by Melanie Phillips who comments on the paper by the German scholar Matthias Kuentzel delivered recently at Leeds University. (Note its NOT Melanie Phillips work but Kuentzel's)
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2007-10-26 12:05:13
George:
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DaveZ
I don't know why you addressed that to me. I know all about it, thank you. I wish I didn't.
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2007-10-26 12:07:13
I Patel:
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It is a shame that the movements you speak about of which I used to one, have fallen out of truly believing they have a solution into turning themselves into self agrandising groups.
maybe Allah will lead them and the propoganda being peddled by the zionist will be countered on a systamtatic level. In regards to the zion nazies who paste their comments on the website, thanks for waking me up.
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2007-10-29 09:58:06
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One of the unique competitive advantages that MPACUK have over other
groups is our ability to live by our creed. When MPACUK talk about
Mosque reform, we are not just happy for the word and message to be
adopted; we don’t see as a success measure the adoption of the word as
a goal in itself. We want to see Mosques reform to serve and defend
their community and religion. When we talk about Palestine, we then
work to see pressure placed on Israel until there is a ‘just’
settlement. When we demand accountability, we hold the powerful and
privileged to account and allow ourselves to be held accountable. When
we demand Muslims engage in the political process, we are right there,
in election after election. We live by our words, we will not allow
them to be used as idle chatter, as a form of self-approval and as an
excuse to do nothing.









