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Lofty Conversions. Print E-mail
Sunday, 07 October 2007
chavlimcartoon.jpg A little over 13 years ago I embraced Islam after a protracted period of soul-searching. I was raised an atheist and up until then, I'd led a life largely devoid of religious considerations, employing common-sense 'do as you would be done by' morality in everyday life. I was always more interested in science and technology yet paradoxically, it was through science and the growing realisation of the sheer majesty of the universe that ultimately led me on the first steps towards accepting the Deen in Ramadan 1994.

Now, I could sit here and recount that story but I'm not going to. Fast forward to last week. An hour before Iftaar I was purchasing a few items at the local store and accidentally bumped into another Muslim whilst performing the age old comedy routine of walking in one direction whilst looking in another. No harm done, I apologised, gave Salaam and wished him Ramadan Mubarak. Genuinely surprised, he asked if I was Muslim and a we struck up a conversation.

Inevitably, the question came up as to how and when I became a Muslim. At some point in the answer, I mentioned that I'd converted around 13 years ago. This earned me a calculatingly dissaproving look. "You musn't say that," he corrected as an adult might do an unruly child, " you reverted to Islam, you did not convert to Islam."

I've been told off for this one countless times but old habits can die hard. Yet, for some reason, this time I left the store feeling irked. On reflection, it came to me it wasn't just the patronising tone but that this wordplay is a fairly recent phenomenon. When I first "reverted", nobody used the word. Now everybody does. Convert, revert. What's the real difference?

Conversion means change, nothing more. Reversion means change to a previous state. You cannot undergo reversion without conversion, so both are equally valid. I understand the reason for preferring the word "revert", yet I wonder why a growing number people seem to insist that it's somehow heresy to use the "C" word.

There's a little more to it than this. I know many con/reverts that will disagree, but from my perspective, the word "revert" seems to focus more on the return to a way of life I had somehow deliberatly rebelled against, rather than one I accepted of my own free will. It seems contrived to make one feel guilty about not being raised a Muslim and diminishes the entire significance of accepting Islam of one's own free will (often under extremely difficult personal circumstances).

On the way home I had to navigate a gang of local youths (many of which I've seen previously being dragged to Traweeh) sporting hoodies and chunky golden jewellry busying themselves by trying to intimidate passers by in a tragic emulation of the chav generation.

So, next time you feel the need to correct someone over their choice of wording, ask yourself if there aren't more important lessons to teach.
 
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm just off to revert my loft. 



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Readers have left 15 comments.
Ming: Quote

I get what your saying, muslims these days are insensitive and patronising and smoetimes arrogant in thier approaches, because hell they're holier then you *rolls eyes*

There is a saying in Izlam that all babies/humans are born muslim.

Having said that, insignificant wordplay that doesnt and shouldnt matter to anyone apart from the low thikning person, which are many muslims these days unfortunately...

(1) 2007-10-07 06:34:25
JWD: Quote

I get what your saying, muslims these days are insensitive and patronising and smoetimes arrogant in thier approaches, because hell they're holier then you *rolls eyes*

There is a saying in Izlam that all babies/humans are born muslim.

Having said that, insignificant wordplay that doesnt and shouldnt matter to anyone apart from the low thikning person, which are many muslims these days unfortunately...

— Ming


Ming, there is no need to be insulting towards Muslims and their beliefs.

I don't share the idea that everyone is a Muslim and simply reverts to Islam but the author does believe that and so why not respect it?
(2) 2007-10-07 11:30:20
truth: Quote

JWD

You seem to be very lonely, have you ever thought of the personal adds. evry artical seems to have a comment from you. GET A LIFE stop making everything your business.
(3) 2007-10-07 15:58:37
For Mr Truth: Quote



I thought JWD was being only fair. Too many Muslim-haters come here and address our religion as "Izlam" ( does the typo give them kicks?) or refer to Muslims as "low-thinking" and are allowed to continue writing here in MPACUK's delusion that it is encouraging debate .

I do not think Ming's remarks should have been published let alone the fact that Ming was allowed to get away with them.

My siggestion to you Mr "truth" is to keep away from JWD and other Muslims before your IP address is traced and reported.
(4) 2007-10-07 18:47:08
Ming: Quote

JWD all humans are born muslim. Wordplay is pointless. wheater you want to be a revert or a convert either way your a muslim, and the person that persists you get your wordplay right and mopst of them are mulsims are insensitive in thier approach, seen and heard it too many times JWD

What you think is up to you. bravo for having toughts
(5) 2007-10-07 21:05:40
JWD: Quote

JWD all humans are born muslim. Wordplay is pointless. wheater you want to be a revert or a convert either way your a muslim, and the person that persists you get your wordplay right and mopst of them are mulsims are insensitive in thier approach, seen and heard it too many times JWD

What you think is up to you. bravo for having toughts
— Ming


Ming, no they are NOT!

If that were true then ONLY human beings born after the time of Mohammed would fit that model. Clearly people born BEFORE Islam cannot be born Muslims. So, why would Allah allow people to be born into the Jewish faith as Jews. The Koran clearly recognises the People of The Book and recognises them as NOT Muslims.

To me the argument is massively flawed.

Believe what you will but in my belief you are wrong.
(6) 2007-10-07 22:04:25
robert: Quote

Being of British origin myself, when someone asks me how long I have been Muslim, I tell them that I was born Muslim, but only realised it 12 years ago. Or I say that I declared Shahadah 12 years ago. I truly don't believe that I converted to Islam, but that I was guided back to the natural state.
Note to JWD : The word "Muslim" means anyone who embraces monotheistic teachings. Moses was, by definition a Muslim, as was Jesus and Abraham (peace and blessings be upon them all). There was no time before Islam, as the one God to whom we both pray created all things and all these things bow down to the Creator.
(7) 2007-10-08 02:17:25
JWD: Quote

Being of British origin myself, when someone asks me how long I have been Muslim, I tell them that I was born Muslim, but only realised it 12 years ago. Or I say that I declared Shahadah 12 years ago. I truly don't believe that I converted to Islam, but that I was guided back to the natural state.
Note to JWD : The word "Muslim" means anyone who embraces monotheistic teachings. Moses was, by definition a Muslim, as was Jesus and Abraham (peace and blessings be upon them all). There was no time before Islam, as the one God to whom we both pray created all things and all these things bow down to the Creator.
— robert


Hence all Jews are Muslims then, according to you.

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(8) 2007-10-08 07:52:29
shan: Quote

Exactly my feelings,whether a person calls himself a convert or revert it does not make any diffrence.
the big thing for that person to leave his faith in whatever he beleived in ,sometimes people are forced to leave their families due to becoming muslims.
i would just say that having been born muslims we should thank Allah for his mercy,otherwise would we have become muslims if we had been born into non muslim homes.
when i meet someone who has accepted the message of islam totally i feel a great deal of respect for that person.
the first muslims on earth were Adham and hava not our last prophet Muhammad PBUT.
(9) 2007-10-08 12:50:26
Syed: Quote

Hence all Jews are Muslims then, according to you.
— JWD
A more accurate definition of Muslim is someone who submits to God.

According to Muslim belief, a new born child is born innocent and with an instinct to believe in and obey God. It is only through environmental conditioning that they may then leave this natural state. Hence, if a person chooses to follow Islam later on in life, some people prefer to label them as a revert, as they have reverted back to their natural state (ironically, in general, reverts/converts are "better Muslims" than those who were born into a Muslim family).

If a child is born into a Jewish family, they can be considered Muslim in the sense that they naturally submit to God, but not in the sense that they are followers of Islam.

The Jewish community is unique though, in that as well as having particular religious beliefs, they also belong to the Jewish race as well. So regardless of whether this child submitted to God or not, they would always be Jewish in the ethnic sense, and nobody is trying to take that notably distinction away from them.
(10) 2007-10-09 10:05:44
JWD: Quote

Syed,

Thank you for you very considerate explanation. I was going to raise the issue of a Jewish child being Jewish by birth to a Jewish mother.

Also, we shouldn't confuse between being Jewish, as a race and following Judaism. The two ideas don't have to coincide.

A Jew who converts to Islam or Christianity is a still a Jew who follows a different religion.
Thanks.
(11) 2007-10-09 12:09:07
Kathy: Quote

Syed

Thank you for a well and simply put explanation. I imagine that even someone like Ming will even be able to understand your words. That is, if he really wants to know the truth.
(12) 2007-10-09 13:48:27
George: Quote

shalom:

You said: I-S-L-A-M means Peace/Submission. It just means submission - not Peace.

Please.
(13) 2007-10-11 16:39:44
George: Quote

Eid Mubarak to you, too. May Allah grant you clarity of vision.
(14) 2007-10-12 08:42:57
muzzylogic: Quote

I'm waiting for apple to take it all over and call it iSlam.
(15) 2007-10-17 22:15:35
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