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Pro-Israeli Lobby Would Call Him A "Self-Hating Jew" For This Superb Article Print E-mail
Tuesday, 09 October 2007

635697_statue.jpgNahman of Bratslav (1772-1811) was a revered leader of the Chasidic movement in Judaism. He used to tell a parable about some courtiers who brought their king distressing news. The harvest had been gathered in, but whoever ate of the crop became mad. No other food was available. What should be done - eat of the food and go mad, or die of starvation? The king decreed: "We all must eat of this crop, but a few of us must remember what the effect will be, to remind us that we are mad."

It is time to remind my fellow Jews that in our knee-jerk defence of Israel and enthusiasm to accuse anyone who dares criticise the state of being anti-semitic, we are in danger of going mad.

The latest, barely credible example comes from Minnesota, where the Catholic University of St Thomas has rescinded an invitation to the Nobel laureate Desmond Tutu, after pressure from the Zionist Organisation of America accusing him of anti-semitism. The university's vice-president explained: "We had heard some things he said that some people judged to be anti-Semitic and against Israeli policy ... he's compared the state of Israel to Hitler and ... making moral equivalences like that are hurtful to the Jewish community."

Now I have had the privilege of meeting Archbishop Tutu a couple of times, and he certainly doesn't need me to defend him against this vile allegation. But it is worth examining the words that gave so much offence, in a speech he delivered in Boston on April 13, 2002. The context is important. It was during the harsh siege by the Israeli army of Jenin refugee camp, in response to the appalling atrocity two weeks before when Palestinian terrorists had killed 29 and wounded 150 celebrants at a communal Passover meal in Netanya.

Unlike, I suspect, many of Tutu's detractors, I have actually read his speech. In it, he paid tribute to Jewish support in the apartheid struggle; reiterated Israel's right to secure borders; voiced his distress at Palestinian suffering; called on the Israeli and Palestinian peoples to live together in peace based on justice "because it is God's dream"; mentioned that to criticise Israel in the US was immediately to be dubbed anti-semitic, because "the Jewish lobby is powerful - very powerful" and continued "Well, so what? This is God's world ...We live in a moral universe. The apartheid government was very powerful, but today it no longer exists. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pinochet, Milosovic and Idi Amin were all powerful, but in the end they bit the dust."

That is the extent of Tutu's "moral equivalences", for which he is branded an anti-semite. Nelson Mandela fares little better. He was trashed recently by a Jewish Chronicle columnist who plays the role of Anglo-Jewry's Richard Littlejohn - only without the class - for having said that aspects of Israeli policy towards the Palestinians reminded him of apartheid. When a highly regarded Israeli journalist also used the A-word, he was disinvited from giving the keynote address at the Zionist Federation's annual conference in London because he had "encouraged the demonisation of Israel and the Jewish people".

But the worst crime a critic of Israel can commit is to suggest that there is an Israel lobby in the US. Of course there is, as there is a gun lobby, an Irish lobby, pro and anti-abortion lobbies, and hundreds of others. Lobbying is as American as apple pie. It is extraordinary to watch large, powerful and effective Jewish organisations such as the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), lumber into action to have meetings cancelled, invitations withdrawn, and smear campaigns initiated against those who claim there is an Israel lobby, protesting all the while that no such lobby exists, and anyone who says it does is therefore anti-semitic.

A typical example of this process is the Mearsheimer and Walt case. John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt were two obscure American academics who wrote a lengthy essay last year about the negative influence on American foreign policy of the Israel lobby. As it happens, I thought it was a poor piece of scholarship, long on generalised speculations, short on facts. Be that as it may, it created a furore on both sides of the Atlantic. The non-existent Israel lobby was combat-ready and turned the pair into instant anti-semitic celebrities. Thus encouraged, they expanded their thesis into a book, The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy, which was published by Penguin at the beginning of September.

Anthony Julius, the distinguished lawyer, was wheeled out by the Jewish Chronicle to pass judgment. He stopped short of calling Mearsheimer and Walt outright anti-semites, but found them to be a new strain of the virus - "proto-anti-semites", who gave aid and comfort to the real ones and perpetuated "the Jewish conspiracy myth".

Surely a more sensible strategy from Israel's zealous defenders would have been to engage with Mearsheimer and Walt's argument, rebut any factual inaccuracies, and counterattack that, on the contrary, Israel is America's staunchest ally in the Middle East (whether it is in Israel's best interests to be so closely tied to America's apron strings, is another question).

But that is the problem when you eat of the madness-inducing crop. In the obsession to find anti-semites lurking under every stone, you can no longer differentiate between the important work of supporting Jewish students intimidated on campus by Muslim and far-left groups, resisting the pernicious proposal to boycott Israeli academics - or gratuitously insulting, in the name of Jewry, the brave, decent and morally upright Desmond Tutu.

By Rabbi Dr David Goldberg OBE

Source: commentisfree.guardian.co.uk




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Readers have left 22 comments.
JWD: Quote

Three new articles relating to Jews. They must have you VERY worried!
(1) 2007-10-10 01:04:31
Rob: Quote

I think this parable is similar to the boy who cried wolf so much that when the wolf really came no one took notice.
by taking every remark which you consider not to your liking and labelling it anti-semitic in a way is demeaning the real meaning of anti-semitism.
the hatred of a person because of his race is outright wrong and should be condemned by all.
(2) 2007-10-10 10:39:15
George: Quote

Rob :

So you agree with Anthony Julius that there is important work to be done:
"protecting Jewish students intimidated on campus by Muslim and far-left groups, resisting the pernicious proposal to boycott Israeli academics"?

I'm glad.

(3) 2007-10-10 12:05:55
JWD: Quote

I think this parable is similar to the boy who cried wolf so much that when the wolf really came no one took notice.
by taking every remark which you consider not to your liking and labelling it anti-semitic in a way is demeaning the real meaning of anti-semitism.
the hatred of a person because of his race is outright wrong and should be condemned by all.
— Rob


So Rob, may I confirm that you are Jewish and so you DO understand the real meaning of the word "Antisemitism"?

Or, may I assume that you are not Jewish and your understanding of the word Antisemitism doesn't come from being a victim but by some synthesis or guess-work?
(4) 2007-10-10 12:38:25
Taz: Quote

Oh I see so ONLY Jews can UNDERSTAND the term anti-Semitism. Oh than how do the goys know they are being anti-Semitic? The Palestinians are also Semites. Is JWD trying to steal their racial heritage as well as their land?
(5) 2007-10-10 13:00:03
JWD: Quote

Oh I see so ONLY Jews can UNDERSTAND the term anti-Semitism. Oh than how do the goys know they are being anti-Semitic? The Palestinians are also Semites. Is JWD trying to steal their racial heritage as well as their land?
— Taz


Yes, ONLY Jews can understand THE FINER NUANCES OF Antisemitism, just as Black people are experts on Black racism.

Palestinians are semites. Hate towards Palestinians is NOT Antisemitism. So what point are you making?

Are YOU trying to steal the word Antisemitism away from its heritage and meaning?
(6) 2007-10-10 13:24:40
Rob: Quote

I agree that we need to work harder to help zionists come out of the chosen ones syndrome,in which they seem to think they are above question and criticism.
to see the suffering of palestinians one does not have to be a palestinian,to know what torture is one does not have to be tortured,just the sight of someone being abused is enough for decent human beings.
the biggest anti-semites are found in the middleast and they are ashkenazi jews.
(7) 2007-10-10 14:13:16
JWD: Quote

I agree that we need to work harder to help zionists come out of the chosen ones syndrome,in which they seem to think they are above question and criticism.
to see the suffering of palestinians one does not have to be a palestinian,to know what torture is one does not have to be tortured,just the sight of someone being abused is enough for decent human beings.
the biggest anti-semites are found in the middleast and they are ashkenazi jews.
— Rob


Not content with a mere generalisation of Antisemitism towards all Jews, Rob is able to call Askenazi Jews "Antisemites" when there is no evidence that they are racist towards Jews at all (being Jews).

If this is the level of debate and logic employed by Rob then I hope the Ummah doesn't rest in his hands.
(8) 2007-10-10 14:33:20
Rob: Quote

JWD if you are the standard bearer of zionists jews then i can understand the attitudes people hold towards people such as yourselves.
ANTI-SEMITE means people who discriminate against semites,only a mentally retarded person will call non semites semites and call semites anti-semites.
this twisted logic needs to be corrected at every turn so that people suffering from the chosen one sydrome can be weaned of.
if oppressing semitic palestinians was not enough,now we are seeing ashkenazi jewish nazis beating up semitic jews as well.
real jews are aware of the crimes these ashkeanzi jews are commiting in their names and they speak out against the illegal state of israel.
when they speak they are self hating jews,just goes to show the level of intellect and logic zionist jews command.
90 PER CENT OF SEMITES ARE ARABS,MORE THAN 80 PER CENT OF JEWS ARE ASHKENAZI NON SEMITIC JEWS.
(9) 2007-10-10 15:53:43
George: Quote

The Jews were 'chosen' to receive God's Laws. That's all. All strictly religious people claim to have truth on their side about God's purposes and the hereafter. There is no 'syndrome'.

Rob:
You have a real problem. I'd get some help before you have a total breakdown of Jew-hating. Do you really think you are furthering Muslim causes or the truth by your deranged and lunatic outbursts? Sorry to get personal, but MPAC - you need this guy's support like a hole in the head. Ban him. (and me if you want to balance things out). No matter how many times he is told to go and look 'anti-semitism' up in a dictionary he will not.
(10) 2007-10-10 16:43:47
Rob: Quote

When you cannot debate with logical responses,make personal disparaging remarks,you have been well trained but unfortunatly for you truth is truth and it shall prevail.
is the dictionary divine law or it is man made words.
the truth is always classed as deranged and lunatic by zionists when they cannot win the debate.
if a jewish person tells it like he sees it,he is a self hating jew,if someone else tells it he is a jew hater.
we still have the right to speak the truth as we see it and we shall do that no matter how badly it sends zionists into fits of insanity.
as they cannot beleive their lies are not working.
(11) 2007-10-10 17:31:00
JWD: Quote

JWD if you are the standard bearer of zionists jews then i can understand the attitudes people hold towards people such as yourselves.
ANTI-SEMITE means people who discriminate against semites,only a mentally retarded person will call non semites semites and call semites anti-semites.
this twisted logic needs to be corrected at every turn so that people suffering from the chosen one sydrome can be weaned of.
if oppressing semitic palestinians was not enough,now we are seeing ashkenazi jewish nazis beating up semitic jews as well.
real jews are aware of the crimes these ashkeanzi jews are commiting in their names and they speak out against the illegal state of israel.
when they speak they are self hating jews,just goes to show the level of intellect and logic zionist jews command.
90 PER CENT OF SEMITES ARE ARABS,MORE THAN 80 PER CENT OF JEWS ARE ASHKENAZI NON SEMITIC JEWS.
— Rob


So, who is throwing the insults MPAC UK?

Rob, it was unwise to suggest 'mental retardation' as being a symptom of not accepting that the word Antisemitism ONLY applies to hatred towards Jews. If you wish to slef-label yourself for not accepting the common useage of the word then perhaps your label is apt.

However, I hesitate to actually accuse anyone of this terrible condition of 'mental retardation'. Imagine the hurt you convey to parents of such unfortunate children.

You think it is acceptable to accuse people of being 'mentally retarded' is a sick stain upon the MPAC UK website. I hope the MODS reflect upon that.

100% of Ashkenazi Jews (minus 0.001% converts) are descended from Semitic Jews who emigrated to Europe.

Your post is a classic of its genre.

I wouldn't even go into the realm of Jews commanding 'intellect and logic' when more Jews per capita have won Nobel prizes than any other group.

Chosen or Driven?
(12) 2007-10-10 17:36:07
Zubair: Quote

Three new articles relating to Jews. They must have you VERY worried!
— JWD


The article was published in the Guardian, so I take it that they are also anti-semitic in your opinion?

Also just out of curiosity how do you and George know each other? You seem to be working in tandem.
(13) 2007-10-10 23:46:49
Rob: Quote

The sickness is in the one which says semitic palestinians are anti-semitic.
the sickness is the one which says non semitic ashkenazi jews are semitic because they converted to judaism.
this is the same as if a british person converts to islam then he is semite.
some people are born with this condition which they cannot help but some choose to become mentally retarded when facts do not go according to their whims.
(14) 2007-10-11 10:04:16
RSD: Quote

It may surprise a lot of people here that there is no Semitic DNA marker because Semitic refers to a language group and not an ethnic group. DNA tests carried out on Israelis and Palestinians shows that they have great commonality and that nothing exists that can readily distinguish one from the other. The only arguable distinctive element is a regressive gene that it excessively common amongst some Central European Jews. However this is due entirely to intermarriage in enclosed communities.
If one were to look at the mid 19th C Ottoman censuses for the areas that became Palestine it would soon become apparent that the population came from a diverse range of geographical locations, and that reflects the high level of inward migration as the Ottoman Empire attempted to stabilise the region and develop its economy.
The actual difference between Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews is liturgical and not genetic. There are also some minor linguistic differences in pronunciation that are principally dialectal.
It is absurd to claim that a person converting to Islam becomes a Semite because they would remain primarily English speaking.
People from the Indian Sub-Continent etc are mainly Indo-Aryans, the same as the English and most other Europeans. This is because Hindi, Urdu, Farsi, etc belong to the Indo-Aryan group of languages.
The term Antisemitism should really be called "Judeophobia" or "Misojudaism", however the 19th C German who coined the term chose that one, and determined its meaning by basing an entire dialogue around it.
This entire debate should end simply because it is a distraction from the real issues and only exists as a means of offending a community.
(15) 2007-10-11 18:45:40
JWD: Quote

Three new articles relating to Jews. They must have you VERY worried!
— Zubair


The article was published in the Guardian, so I take it that they are also anti-semitic in your opinion?

Also just out of curiosity how do you and George know each other? You seem to be working in tandem.
— JWD


Actually there is some truth in that. The Guardian has always been anti-Israel and its left credentials have led it into areas of Antisemitism.

The evidence is that Julie Burchill left the Guardian, stating that it had become Antisemitic. David Aaranovitch, deputy editor I believe, left them.

Finally, the Comment Is Free section had so many Antisemitic comments (and articles) that the CiF management had to issue new guidelines.

I believe there was also a book by a Guardian journalist about why she thought the Guardian wasn't Antisemitic. No smoke without fire.

Now, don't some of you rant about how the Sunday Times, Daily Mail. Daily Express & Telegraph are "Islamaphobic"?

Remember, Antisemitism is racism. Islamaphobia is not.
(16) 2007-10-12 07:51:41
JWD: Quote

The sickness is in the one which says semitic palestinians are anti-semitic.
the sickness is the one which says non semitic ashkenazi jews are semitic because they converted to judaism.
this is the same as if a british person converts to islam then he is semite.
some people are born with this condition which they cannot help but some choose to become mentally retarded when facts do not go according to their whims.
— Rob


Ashkenazi Jews did NOT convert to Judaism. Their roots are from the Middle East and emigrated to Europe. Denial of race is racims and so your continual false assertion is just racist.

Antisemitism ONLY referes to hatred towards Jews and NOT Palestinians or Arabs. You have to stop demonstrating your prejudice and ignorance. By hetting this wrong just illustrates how you are lost and confused.

I see you wrote "some people are born with this condition which they cannot help but some choose to become mentally retarded when facts do not go according to their whims."

Sorry, I shouldn't be so hard on you. I should have realised you are under a medical/mental condition. So wondeful you shared.
(17) 2007-10-12 07:56:28
Rob: Quote

JWD prejudice is something you are clearly advocating and then telling others not to be prejudicial.
for once i agree witrh rsd that if people have hatred for jewish people,then it should referred to as such, i personally think it should be called jewishphobia.
anyone hating people because of their race,should be classed as the anti-of that race,whatever that maybe,no one has patent rights on a race.
islamophobia is relgious hate,which is classed in the same way as hatred of christians.
until 10 years ago i was unaware that arabs were semites and that ashkeanzi jews were non semites,its only since then that i have read up to gain this information.
(18) 2007-10-12 11:19:09
JWD: Quote

JWD prejudice is something you are clearly advocating and then telling others not to be prejudicial.
for once i agree witrh rsd that if people have hatred for jewish people,then it should referred to as such, i personally think it should be called jewishphobia.
anyone hating people because of their race,should be classed as the anti-of that race,whatever that maybe,no one has patent rights on a race.
islamophobia is relgious hate,which is classed in the same way as hatred of christians.
until 10 years ago i was unaware that arabs were semites and that ashkeanzi jews were non semites,its only since then that i have read up to gain this information.
— Rob


I see you have tried 'reading-up'. Either you're only reading Hizb Ut Tahir or Muslim Brotherhood pamphlets - or maybe you can't really read.

Ashkenazi Jews are from theMiddle East and settled in Europe. They are as semite as any Sephardi Jew.

You say that "anyone hating people because of their race,should be classed as the anti-of that race,whatever that maybe,no one has patent rights on a race." Well, as it so happens the word "Judaeophobia" ALSO exists but Antisemitism is the more common word to use instead. So, if you hate Jews you are an Antisemite.

Islampahobia, as you define, certainly doesn't convey a racist hate.

" i personally think it should be called jewishphobia". Fine! But what YOU think is irrelevant (except as un-intentional humour). Its what we collectively agree to think that counts.
(19) 2007-10-12 16:47:26
Rob: Quote

Guess waht JWD zionist hiding behind singular letters i get my information from all the sources available.
i have just comne across information in which the chief rabbi of orthodox jews in austria rabbi friedman has stated that zionists are the enemies of jews and they are creating hatred towards jews.
he further stated that zionists are using the holocaust to stop any criticism levelled at the zionists in palestine,somehow i do not think he works with the groups you mentioned.
i suppose he too shall be labelled as a self hater for speaking the truth.
if you hate jews you are anti-semite does not equate with logic,if you hate jews you are ant-jewish if you hate semites you are anti-semite.
you can twist and turn as much as you like but semitic people cannot be called anti-semites.
now that we have real jews telling it like it is,do you agree that zionists are the ones creating hate against jews by the blatant name calling everytime someone criticises them.
(20) 2007-10-12 17:54:39
JWD: Quote

Guess waht JWD zionist hiding behind singular letters i get my information from all the sources available.
i have just comne across information in which the chief rabbi of orthodox jews in austria rabbi friedman has stated that zionists are the enemies of jews and they are creating hatred towards jews.
he further stated that zionists are using the holocaust to stop any criticism levelled at the zionists in palestine,somehow i do not think he works with the groups you mentioned.
i suppose he too shall be labelled as a self hater for speaking the truth.
if you hate jews you are anti-semite does not equate with logic,if you hate jews you are ant-jewish if you hate semites you are anti-semite.
you can twist and turn as much as you like but semitic people cannot be called anti-semites.
now that we have real jews telling it like it is,do you agree that zionists are the ones creating hate against jews by the blatant name calling everytime someone criticises them.
— Rob


Thank God you don't think I'm Jewish, only a Zionist.

Well done for seeking out a single Rabbi from the Nutty Kutty party who hates himself and other Jews. Yes, a Jew can be an Antisemite by hating other Jews.

Now, why would Abe Montana, a Christian Zionist fom the American Mid-West be using the Holocaust to stop criticism of a Jew in Palestine (oops you mean Israel)?

Can you see any lack of criticism of Israel here or in the World? Please show me a single quote where an Israeli says "You can't criticise us, we suffered The Holocaust.

That just does NOT make sense UNLESS when you write "Zionist" your REALLY mean "Jew".

So, you write "Jews" are the enemies of "Jews", or rather Mr Nutty Kutty does.

You place your patheticly slim argument of what ONE Jew has to say and project iot as truth when 12 million Jews would say the opposite.

If you hate Jews then you are an Antisemite.

If you hate Arabs and Palestinians you are Anti-Arab.

If you hate Muslims you are an Islamaphobe.

Why is someone who says something that YOU like a "real Jew". Are you sure he isn't Ashkenazi because you say they aren't real Jews because they are converts (wrong!).

Rob, this is an argument you can't win (except in the comfort of your own mind).

Medication must be taken regularly BTW. Why not join Nutty Kutty. They give discount for Hizb ut Tahir members. (You never know, they might be rich!)
(21) 2007-10-13 07:43:52
JWD: Quote

Dear MPAC UK MODS,

I wonder if you might feel its time to close this thread.

It has become a slanging match between Rob and myself because Rob won't accept the definition of Antisemitism. Every time he tries to re-define it - so I respond.

MPAC UK know exactly what he word "Antisemitism" means. Its in your own Frequently Asked Questions "Is MPAC UK Antisemitic?"

Clearly, MPAC UK defends itself against claims of hate speech against Jews. Clearly, MPAC UK could have replied that they can't be Antisemitic because they are pro-Arab. Clearly that is not what your statement says.

Please help the Brother to come to terms with what so upsets him so that he may be guided to the path of truth and not get into trouble outside this web-site.

Clearly, to deny that Antisemitism refers to Jews is to actually convey an Antisemitic sentiment that is denial of the rights of Jews.

Equally, his false assertion that Ashkenazi Jews aren't real Jews or members of the semitic race are equally Antisemitic in the denial of their Jewish heritage.

Its warped opinion versus facts. It doesn't do this website much credit to have this go on.

I hope you will agree.
(22) 2007-10-13 07:58:10
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