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| MPACUK Reader: Don't Blame Social Ills on Mosques |
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| Tuesday, 10 July 2007 | |
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Why do you make the assumption that drug use, smoking prostitution, gambling,
terrorsim etc are all due to the Mosques inactivity. These are social problems. Do You Agree or Disagree with Brother Shumon Ahmed?           Readers have left 25 comments.
Abdul:
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Is this brother really saying that mosques have not played a social role in the societies?
He should really do his research before speaking.
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2007-07-10 23:41:05
Solaiman:
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I'm sorry but this is just a silly letter, and why on Earth do mpac give "air time" to stuff like this?
It is obvious that this guy has a vested interest in some Mosque and is personally upset but is using the age old cover story of "my mates are getting upset". Also the Mosques are the central part of the Muslim community. If the community that surrounds the Mosque is backwards, then i'm sorry but that does reflect on the Mosque. Stop making excuses for failing leaders.
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2007-07-11 06:31:40
self empowerment:
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this is about self empowerment, if we do not self empower ourselves and the mosques are central catalysts for that then no one will.
the proof is in the pudding, almost every high population area of muslims is addled with depredadtion. if the individuals of the community group togather around civic structures, local authority, churches, mosques only then can they make a difference. The mosques have taken the one option open to them and that is to deny getting involved in social improvement. well in that case we have to take that option away from them. either we do as muslims or the goverment does. you pick.
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2007-07-11 07:55:25
Majid:
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Absolutely right.
This letter exposes the narrowness of MPACs agenda. Its the Mosques Israel and Iraq. Urging people to get involved in politics is correct and laudible. But if,as I suspect Muslims concerns are about health and education etc,Asghar on Sky new is a repellant. knee jerk campagning against the Labour Party turns Asghar on. No one else.
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2007-07-11 10:01:39
reflection:
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this letter cracked me up.
in the last paragraph he says (Grow up and start to grasp a bit of reality. If you are content to stay in your little web world, then carry on) then without pause or any self reflection.... (I hope you will take this positively.) WHAT!! are you nuts you freak. how can anyone take that postiively, I may not agree with MPAC all the time, but at least when tehy insult someone they have the courage to say and then stand by it. what a joke you mosque apologists are.
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2007-07-11 10:16:27
bloomsbury:
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I wholeheartedly agree with the 'article' MPAC are boring us with the same mantra.
Terrorism? blame the mosques! Lack of education? blame the mosques! Extremists Muslims? blame the mosques! Bus comes late? Blame the mosques! Some one broke wind? Blame the mosques! Mosques are a reflection of the Muslim community, it is therefore the communiyt i.e Muslims that are failing and not institutes because institutes are only as good as the community that make them. How many mosques has MPAC created? set up and ran??? Zero! Typical of young people to complain about other peoples projects.why dont mpac create a mosque and show us how it should be done?? No thats not going to happen is it! MPAC should focus its efforts on making Muslims understand the importance of lobbying and democracy, then the mosques will become places of activism. The other point to think about is that temples, churches, synagogues etc do not function in this way. If we take the Jewish community they have been successful at politics but they create ORGANISATIONS AND INSTITUTES to undertake this work........THEY DO NOT USE THE SYNAGOGUES. If the mosques were centres of lobbying and politics they would become targets of the government and get shut down. and MPAC would be saying 'oh well' They other thing is not many people actually attend mosques apart from juma, the rest of the time its just old people, is this who mpac is talking about??
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2007-07-11 11:33:02
Tariq:
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Its the same old issue ---
its us groups and individuals that form the society, not some bricks and mortar. We gotta stop moaning and do it ourselves. focus on postive criticism, we need solutions not negative debating. 1. the groups should form an integrated agenda to work together to pull the muslim community up. 2.that means networking businesses and self employed, forget the kufr host for now because they will never give equality if you believe in islam. this will give rise to demand for our own goods and services, and create a our own economy. 3. the masjids and schools will form the education part. 4. the social help groups can liase with everyone. etc.
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2007-07-11 12:11:55
same old same old:
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it's so interesting to see that alert after alert, election campaign after campaign, all MPAC and Asghar get is grief. the proof is how come the same mosque whingers never post or respond to MPAC's alerts. Littlejohn's attack on Muslims didnt include them or their precious mosques.
maybe if some of the mosque apologist actually had a vision for the mosque rather then leave them alone, it would be ok. but the truth is they don't. they don't care about the ummah, they don't care about fighting the zionist, all they care about is their special little place where their dad is the chairman. wellcome to hell.
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2007-07-11 13:13:13
Jamal:
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Can someone please post Asghars performance on Sky News today.
I hear he got involved in a slanging match with Evan Harris the Lib Dem who is a decent bloke.
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2007-07-11 15:12:54
ummahpulse is dead:
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its hilarious that ummahpulse are advertisng on the mpac website. the thing is other then oppose mpac what are tehy doing to strengthen mosque reform,
waht are they doing to show mosques what to do to help muslims take on the challenges of both zionism and alienation? what are tehy doing to take on the zionist, i went on to their website and guess what, nothing!?
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2007-07-11 15:17:29
Ummah who?:
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Mosque mafia now posting on mpac website? - why have the mosques kicked ummah pulse out too? lol
Keep up trying to improve our mosques lads, and don't let the backward brigade stop you.
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2007-07-11 18:05:58
Who is behind the outfit?:
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How funny that Ummah pulse don't have the alert about little john up - yet have an article saying 'the mosques are great' - don't improve them.
Maybe Ummah pulse is run by some shady characters - who are they?
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2007-07-11 18:12:48
shumon Ahmed:
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I am grateful to MPAC for publishing my comments and the responses from others.
Sometimes what we are wanting to say does not always come across well in writing and unlike some of the other contributors, I am not as articulate but all I can do is try. I have written before and asked that MPAC broaden their focus a bot more. I honestly believe it has the right aim broadly and I share some of their frustration but if for all the things they raise in the site, almost all of the times, Iraq, Jews and Mosques are the focal point. The reason I feel Muslims have lagged behind is becaus ethey have not become media savvy. You have to get inside something and work from within. Secondly, there are lots of issues that Muslims have to deal with internally within the diverse Muslim communities and constantly bashing them will not help. MPAC needs to show respect and lead by example. If you keep telling people they are bad, they start to play the part soo enough. MPAC feels like an Asghar Bhukari pet project. He annoys more Muslims even though they may agree with him on many things. Are there no other people who can speak to press? I would happily invite MPAC yo my town and the 5 small Mosques we run under an umbrella organisation. We are all working people, mostly under 40 and share the concerns and anxieties that many people have but we have to do it sensibly and sensitively. We cannot do everything and should not have to. However, at this moment in time, the letters MPAC is more like a swear word amonst our members purely because of its approach and disrespect it shows to others. We dont agree with a lot of things the MCB does and other organisations but what we hate is Muslms sitting in TV studios haranging each other, precisely what we dont need. Find a grown up way and approach and discuss things behind closed doors. Muslim communities and soeciety in general is looking for energetic, enthusiastic people to make positive contributions to society and I feel there are some within MPAC but the current approach wont work and isnt working. Make changes and become exemplary and I promise that I and many of my colleagues will give time, resources and volunteer our energie sto help you achieve your aims. Leadership isnt about criticising people, its about leading by example and taking the difficult route. As Muslims we should know better and learn from the great examples of our Prophet. I hope I havent offended anyone and like you all, I am entitled to my views and they should be respected.
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2007-07-11 19:33:17
Samira:
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Can MPAC please upload the Sky interview with Asghar and the LibDem guy. I really want to see this...pleeez
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2007-07-11 20:19:27
DOH!:
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what's the article that says mosques are great and don't need improving? i cant find it, plz help. by the way, is ummahpulse a dissenting off-shoot of MPAC?
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2007-07-12 00:28:14
Tahir:
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Guys, we should all strive for continuous improvement by starting with ourselves. The aim of improving mosques is different to abusing them. Like brother Shumon, my circle of friends think that MPAC is an organisation that does NOT represent them. I think people probably complain more about MPAC then they do about our local mosque committees.
If we want to improve the mosques then we should all take an active part in it and educate those with influence. But to educate in matters of deen we need to start from a point of knowledge. Not worldly knowledge that is dependent on theories and ideas that are fashionable at a particular point in time, but the true knowledge that comes from the Quran and Sunnah, which we can only really learn through knowledgeable scholars. It seems the brothers at MPAC have a problem with scholars too. What scholars try to do, they do in secret, for the pleasure of Allah. Air time (or rant time) is not a measure of success!! Although we would like a great scholar to come along each year instead of a hundred years - these scholars are doing a good job, mash'Allah. It's the students(or lack of) that are failing them. Like brother Shumon, my local mosques are trying very hard to improve. If I decide to start scream and shout I am no better than some of the people that MPAC describe. Learn to be humble brothers. Pick up books of knowledge and show respect to the scholars. Then maybe you may learn the etiquette of improving yourself and others around you.
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2007-07-12 00:28:53
Tahir:
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Bro Jamal - Evan Harris is not decent:
Dr. Evan Harris went on Radio 5 Live and supported the french ban on religious symbols... Whilst the government had denied any plans to outlaw hijab, at least one MP, Dr Evan Harris*, a Liberal Democrat MP for Oxford West and Abingdon, has vocally supported the hijab ban. On a BBC radio programme (29 Jan 2004) he compared hijab to a fashion accessory and said schools are entitled to ban them. Evan Harris is also the honourable secretary of the National Secular Society**. When the interviewer asked him "is this ban not against the fundamental human right of freedom of religious practice?" he replied "no it isn't because it doesn't interfere with the right of religious practice, schools are for learning not for practicing religion". No doubt he would use this same secular fundamentalist argument to ban hijab from hospitals, places of work and all other public areas. He is also dodgy this way: * Muslim voters should also note that Dr Evan Harris is the Treasurer of British-Israel Parliamentary Group and in June 2000 he was part of a "Liberal Democrat Friends of Israel" visit to Israel which was funded by the Israeli government.
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2007-07-12 00:46:40
Gunjan:
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Dont be silly.
MPAC apparently backs the Lib Dems. Ask yourself why Asghar hasnt posted the debate.
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2007-07-12 06:05:54
s ahmed you muppet:
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YOU SAY:
Sometimes what we are wanting to say does not always come across well in writing and unlike some of the other contributors, I am not as articulate but all I can do is try. I SAY: then shut up! YOU Say: i have written before and asked that MPAC broaden their focus a bot more...Iraq, Jews and Mosques are the focal point. I SAY: thats the point? it's like buying a choclate and then whinging cadburaris only sell stuff with milk and coco products. go elsewhere. YOU SAY: MPAC needs to show respect and lead by example. I SAY: They are leading by example, election after election, campaign after campaign. are you stupid! YOU SAY: However, at this moment in time, the letters MPAC is more like a swear word amonst our members purely because of its approach and disrespect it shows to others. I SAY: MPAC is a swear word, shame you don't know who Melanie Philips is, Littlejohn and Kilroy Silk, pull our head out of the sand and you may find out that MPAC are defending you while you disrespect them. YOU SAY: Find a grown up way and approach and discuss things behind closed doors. I SAY: no more back room deals, you muslims leadership have sold the ummah down the river time and time again, you make a deal we want the doors wide open and open to public scrutiny. YOU SAY: Make changes and become exemplary and I promise that I and many of my colleagues will give time, resources and volunteer our energie sto help you achieve your aims. I SAY: Shut up, your a liar, the aims are for the ummah and if you havent done it for them why would you do it for MPAC? YOU SAY: Leadership isnt about criticising people, its about leading by example and taking the difficult route. I SAY: read about leadership and read about the Prophet, he may of strung you up by the neck. YOU SAY: I hope I havent offended anyone and like you all, I am entitled to my views and they should be respected. I SAY: ofcourse you have offended people your offensive, the worst part os your to dumb to realise it. and your opinion is as valids as Littlejohns you can have it, but dont expect to be respected for it. And finally... your an idiot. please don't be offended by anything I have said! I meant as a sincere brother to another and only want to teach you the errors of your ways and how to reach Islam...
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2007-07-12 12:07:04
shumon ahmed:
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<b>[MPACUK MOD: Please note: No MPACUK members are writing comments which you have claimed.
If MPACUK members are to comment they will officially state it until then please stop spreading lies.</b> 's ahmed you muppet' The above author showed his attitude which is sadly refelcetd in a lot of what MPAC does. Shame on you. Seek some education. I can see you have wound yourself up and your reply is thankfully in the minority. May your horiazons broaden by the sensible replies others have posted. Well done Asghar you have shown your true colours....again.
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2007-07-12 21:21:53
s ahmed you muppet:
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you crack me up, once again your hatred of anything other then backward repressive mosques have surfaced.
your own posts prove your an idiot.
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2007-07-13 12:25:36
zoey:
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the above exchange is just hilarious....but i have to agree with S ahmad you muppet. Brother Shumon makes some ridiculous points 'discuss things behind closed doors' what about accountability???? and its true why dont people like you get upset and complain about all the Islamophobia instead you rant on at mpac?? i just dont get it....why should your views be respected all you do is diss those trying to do something positive...pls spend some of that energy acting against those who really damage Islam.
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2007-07-15 08:41:17
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Agree with Tahir, MPAC seems to want to criticise Mosques as a hobby. yes
there are issues to deal with but to suggest that Mosques are responsible/not
responsible for all of the Muslimc comminties social and personal problems is
ridiculous. The system is letting lots of people down and that includes Muslim
youth.
